NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby The_Achiever » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:44 pm

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Eh, I need to watch it before I say the guy is awful. Might have been trying to work on some pitches or isn't up to full speed yet.

I hope he sucks and the Cubs torch him the first chance we get.

Yeah it’s ST and his first start so stats are mostly meaningless but that’s a rough debut for a guy who sucked last time he was in MLB and hasn’t pitched in MLB in years.


I do think the Cardinals' rotation has the chance to implode if Mikolas sucks and Wainwright continues to struggle. Wacha has had problems staying healthy. I think the Cubs have a much stronger rotation now.

We should make a thread or poll for when we think MM will get fired lol. I'll say right around early August after the trade deadline.


Agreed. I think they'll score plenty of runs but this rotation doesn't scare me at all. Surprised we haven't heard them connected to Jake, Cobb, etc. more. (although they do love to keep their powder dry....)
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby champaignchris » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:06 pm

The_Achiever wrote:I think they'll score plenty of runs...


The Cardinals have so many regression candidates... basically, their entire lineup either significantly outperformed their career numbers last year or are getting old. Pham, Wong, Gyorko, Ozuna, and DeJong aren't all going to repeat what they did last year. Probably not close. This may be the year that Fowler (32), Carpenter (32), and Molina (36) start showing their age.

They might be a very good offense. They also might completely fall off the table.

They're low floor/high ceiling both on the mound and at the plate.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:18 pm

Regular Show wrote:
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Eh, I need to watch it before I say the guy is awful. Might have been trying to work on some pitches or isn't up to full speed yet.

I hope he sucks and the Cubs torch him the first chance we get.

Yeah it’s ST and his first start so stats are mostly meaningless but that’s a rough debut for a guy who sucked last time he was in MLB and hasn’t pitched in MLB in years.


I do think the Cardinals' rotation has the chance to implode if Mikolas sucks and Wainwright continues to struggle. Wacha has had problems staying healthy. I think the Cubs have a much stronger rotation now.

We should make a thread or poll for when we think MM will get fired lol. I'll say right around early August after the trade deadline.


Their other problem is they'll be relying on some combination of rookie/second year pitchers (Weaver, Flaherty, Reyes) who might have to throw career highs in innings and could easily wear out.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:28 pm

also any number of their players could die in a fiery DUI crash
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Derwood » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:32 pm

The Reds, in 2018, for the first time EVER, will broadcast all 162 of their regular season games. On television.

How is that even possible?
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:40 pm

Derwood wrote:The Reds, in 2018, for the first time EVER, will broadcast all 162 of their regular season games. On television.

How is that even possible?

The Brewers announced the same thing recently. Amazing.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:09 pm

Bud Norris 2.1IP 4H 5ER 1BB 2SO 2HR and he left with an injury
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby PackLandVA » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:21 pm

Mikolas went 5 innings today with 4 Ks, but he gave up 4 ER, 6 H and a dinger to boot.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:14 pm

PackLandVA wrote:Mikolas went 5 innings today with 4 Ks, but he gave up 4 ER, 6 H and a dinger to boot.

Box score says he went 3IP 6H 4ER 0BB 0K 1HR. This guy might be a bum. Hopefully they panic and cave to over pay one of the FA starters left.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby PackLandVA » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:54 pm

Gameday playing games! I swear it read what I posted. I thought it was odd he went 5 in his second start.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:59 pm

Remember when we thought signing this Mikolas bum and Cobb would’ve been a perfectly fine offseason for SP additions?

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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby treebird » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:03 pm

stop pretending spring training means anything. mikolas is a nice bet.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:08 pm

treebird wrote:stop pretending spring training means anything. mikolas is a nice bet.

I mean that’s fair. But he was a bum last time he was in MLB (6+ era his last season here) and he’s been an absolute bum in his 2 starts since being back. I saw his first start and ST or not his stuff looked quite average and the results so far show it.

He’s gone 4.2IP 13H 10ER 1BB 2K 2HR on 106 pitches so far.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby The Logan » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:09 pm

A glimpse into Mike Mikolas' near future

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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Banedon » Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:15 pm

I would really like to see the rest of the free agent pitchers sign to give the Cards less options if Mikolas doesn't pan out though.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby 17 Seconds » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:37 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Remember when we thought signing this Mikolas bum and Cobb would’ve been a perfectly fine offseason for SP additions?

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if you thought he was a fine bet before, you should still think that now
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby CyHawk_Cub » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:58 pm

I'm glad I never thought that.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby The_Achiever » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:37 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:I'm glad I never thought that.


Yeah. Cobb seemed like an ok acquisition but I'd rather just roll with Montgomery than spend money on Mikolass.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:26 pm

DeJong just got a 6 year extension at 26m with 2 more option years to max it out at 51m
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby The_Achiever » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:31 pm

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:DeJong just got a 6 year extension at 26m with 2 more option years to max it out at 51m


Infield Randal Grichuk. Good luck with that.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby champaignchris » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:24 pm

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:DeJong just got a 6 year extension at 26m with 2 more option years to max it out at 51m


Addison Russell is 4 or 5 months younger.

DeJong was a 4th round pick, never ranked as a top 100 prospect, and had a .780-ish OPS in his only full year of minor league play. Only 12 months ago, Diaz was as the Cardinals’ SS of the future and DeJong wasn’t on anyone’s radar.

I’m fully prepared to be proven wrong about this, but I strongly suspect that DeJong doesn’t amount to much.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:58 pm

Seems like an unnecessary move to me but it really isn't much money and they save some money if he turns out to be like the SS version of Todd Fazier. Most likely though when regression hits him the contract is going to keep Matheny running him out there at SS over a better option.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby champaignchris » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:34 pm

DeJong will make more money this year than Corey Seager, Francisco Lindor, Carlos Correa and Trea Turner combined.

So, it was clearly a move they had to make.

Maybe I give the Cards’ front office too much credit.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:43 am

Sounds like Carpenter likely won’t be ready for opening day with a back issue and Matheny had this gem of a quote on it.

After weeks of displaying cautious optimism about the severity of Matt Carpenter's back injury, Cardinals manager Mike Matheny admitted some concern before Tuesday's 4-4 tie against the Marlins about his first baseman's status for Opening Day.

"No," the manager said, when asked if Carpenter's health worried him. "But, yeah."


Also apparently Pham is unhappy with the amount the Cardinals decided to pay him in his last year before arbitration
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby The Logan » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:01 am

Cubswin11 wrote:Also apparently Pham is unhappy with the amount the Cardinals decided to pay him in his last year before arbitration


Well, Tommy, maybe if you weren't hot garbage until you turned 29 you would've earned more money based on your performance history, ya dingus.
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