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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:17 pm

Corey Knebel got demoted to AAA
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby PackLandVA » Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:38 pm

Knebel hasn’t been very good this year but I’d imagine he’ll be back with VBs in 8 days.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Jaxbro » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:01 pm

Nats fire sale continues. Brewers get Gio Gonzalez. Meh
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:21 pm

Jaxbro wrote:Nats fire sale continues. Brewers get Gio Gonzalez. Meh


he's been pretty crappy this year but this is not a "meh". Gio could replace 2 of our starter slots.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:44 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Jaxbro wrote:Nats fire sale continues. Brewers get Gio Gonzalez. Meh


he's been pretty crappy this year but this is not a "meh". Gio could replace 2 of our starter slots.


That says way more about our rotation than it does about him.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:42 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Jaxbro wrote:Nats fire sale continues. Brewers get Gio Gonzalez. Meh


he's been pretty crappy this year but this is not a "meh". Gio could replace 2 of our starter slots.


That says way more about our rotation than it does about him.


we're in 1st
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:45 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
he's been pretty crappy this year but this is not a "meh". Gio could replace 2 of our starter slots.


That says way more about our rotation than it does about him.


we're in 1st


Despite a really crappy performance from most of our rotation.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:53 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
That says way more about our rotation than it does about him.


we're in 1st


Despite a really crappy performance from most of our rotation.


which is why we shouldn't improve it?
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Banedon » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:26 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
we're in 1st


Despite a really crappy performance from most of our rotation.


which is why we shouldn't improve it?


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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:42 pm

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minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
Despite a really crappy performance from most of our rotation.


which is why we shouldn't improve it?


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he was almost as bad as Gio was when we got him. I know, I know, Arlington but still. Depending what they gave to Washington, Gio was worth taking a flyer on
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:47 pm

Did he clear waivers or did the Brewers claim him before we had a chance?
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:05 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Did he clear waivers or did the Brewers claim him before we had a chance?



idk but if they gave up anything from low-level talent to nothing, it was a gamble worth taking. I doubt they gave up anything meaningful, being the chess players that they are up in Milwaukee.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:09 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Banedon wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
which is why we shouldn't improve it?


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he was almost as bad as Gio was when we got him. I know, I know, Arlington but still. Depending what they gave to Washington, Gio was worth taking a flyer on

His peripheral numbers are nearly as bad as any of the worst pitchers we have in terms of K/BB rates, etc. his last 8 starts he has a mid 6 era, near 5 fip and over 5 xfip and given up 32 runs, 53 hits, 22 walks in 42 innings. Unless they thought an environment change like Hamels would fix him (don’t think Washington is extreme either way) or he’d change his pitch mix like Hamels idk what there is to like, he’s been quite bad this year and in the last 2 months.

He also cleared waivers, so we could’ve gotten him. The VBs board are a bunch of prospect huggers but they think they gave up too much in the 2 prospects they sent I remember reading.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:23 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
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he was almost as bad as Gio was when we got him. I know, I know, Arlington but still. Depending what they gave to Washington, Gio was worth taking a flyer on

His peripheral numbers are nearly as bad as any of the worst pitchers we have in terms of K/BB rates, etc. his last 8 starts he has a mid 6 era, near 5 fip and over 5 xfip and given up 32 runs, 53 hits, 22 walks in 42 innings. Unless they thought an environment change like Hamels would fix him (don’t think Washington is extreme either way) or he’d change his pitch mix like Hamels idk what there is to like, he’s been quite bad this year and in the last 2 months.

He also cleared waivers, so we could’ve gotten him. The VBs board are a bunch of prospect huggers but they think they gave up too much in the 2 prospects they sent I remember reading.


welp, I didn't realize just HOW bad he's been. He's been a very reliable, productive pitchers in years past. Its odd to see him drop off the cliff like this, even for an aging pitcher it seems extreme
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby The Logan » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:03 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/haudricourt/status/1042507901204656128?s=21




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(I've used this gif before for the same context, but this gif is too perfect not to use for every single bit of rival injury news)
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:08 pm

The Logan wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/haudricourt/status/1042507901204656128?s=21




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(I've used this gif before for the same context, but this gif is too perfect not to use for every single bit of rival injury news)

I like this one for the same reasons

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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:43 pm

Johnson is a huge loss for them, IMO. I think he’s played a huge role in their pitching devil magic and other coaching things. He’s near the top of my list when Joe is gone to replace him.

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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:48 pm

That’s a big hire, Johnson’s pretty excellent. Maybe the Reds - who are loaded with young power arms they’ve more or less managed keep healthy - finally get their pitching act together.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:00 pm

Well, I didn't see that coming. Like, maybe a promotion or something. But just a lateral move to a team in the same division with a similar payroll is sort of interesting, no?
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:05 pm

Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:Well, I didn't see that coming. Like, maybe a promotion or something. But just a lateral move to a team in the same division with a similar payroll is sort of interesting, no?

Definitely.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:31 pm

Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:Well, I didn't see that coming. Like, maybe a promotion or something. But just a lateral move to a team in the same division with a similar payroll is sort of interesting, no?


Very interesting...My speculation is that Johnson sees the arms and pedigrees on guys like Iglesias, Luis Castillo, Cody Reed, Robert Stephenson, Garrett, Lorenzen, Finnegann, that potential healthy Michael Fulmer clone they have in the minors, and a couple others as a group that can take his career to another level.

I’m a fan of how the Reds have quietly gone about their rebuild. The Senzel injury this year was a bump in the road but should he land and hit in the majors next year the Reds might become annoying sooner rather than later.
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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Everyone but the Brewers I guess

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:32 pm

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Re: NL Central Also-Rans: Reds, Brewers, Pirates

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:34 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:Well, I didn't see that coming. Like, maybe a promotion or something. But just a lateral move to a team in the same division with a similar payroll is sort of interesting, no?


Very interesting...My speculation is that Johnson sees the arms and pedigrees on guys like Iglesias, Luis Castillo, Cody Reed, Robert Stephenson, Garrett, Lorenzen, Finnegann, that potential healthy Michael Fulmer clone they have in the minors, and a couple others as a group that can take his career to another level.

I’m a fan of how the Reds have quietly gone about their rebuild. The Senzel injury this year was a bump in the road but should he land and hit in the majors next year the Reds might become annoying sooner rather than later.

Sounds like he mostly left because the Reds gave him a huge offer or (more likely) the Brewers were being the cheap ass, poor team that they are and low balled him.

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