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2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby Derwood » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:54 pm

"Chipper Jones, Vladimir Guerrero, Jim Thome and Trevor Hoffman were elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame, it was announced Wednesday."

Damn solid class
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:56 pm

horsefeathers the HOF and Joe Morgan, sanctimonious pricks
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:04 am

Still no Bonds or Clemens right? Booooo, still the GOATs for me*

*Maddux/Clemens split
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby SouthSideRyan » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:56 am

Sammy stays on at 7.8%, Kerry gets 2 votes, Zambrano 0.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby cwood218 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:59 am

Trevor Hoffman should not be in the hall
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby Proven Veteran » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:13 am

cwood218 wrote:Trevor Hoffman should not be in the hall

So many guys on that list should be ahead of him.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby Regular Show » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:29 am

SouthSideRyan wrote:Sammy stays on at 7.8%, Kerry gets 2 votes, Zambrano 0.


Well, I'm pretty happy Kerry got 2 votes at least. One of my favorite Cubs' players of all-time. I wonder how great a career he could've had if injuries/D. Baker hadn't derailed it...

I was worried he might get 0 votes like Zambrano.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby Bertz » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:57 am

cwood218 wrote:Trevor Hoffman should not be in the hall


Agreed, but his election helps tremendously with the backlog.

Rivera and Halladay are locks to get in on the first ballot next year. Edgar will also get in since it's his last year. Hoffman getting in and more importantly getting out od the way makes it more likely a fourth makes it goes in next year as well, Mussina maybe?
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby OleMissCub » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:06 am

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cwood218 wrote:Trevor Hoffman should not be in the hall

So many guys on that list should be ahead of him.


Hell, Billy Wagner was better.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:12 am

Mike Trout already has double the fWAR Hoffman had for his career and Hoffman and Ted Lilly had the same amount for their careers, LOL.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby bukie » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:43 am

Barry Bonds had more career WAR than Chipper Jones and Jim Thome combined.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby bcl412 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:50 am

No Sosa, Bonds or Clemons makes it hard for me to care at all
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby BigbadB » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:44 pm

The way Ron Santo was treated is why you shouldn't care.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:52 pm

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What sort of anti-logic nonsense is this.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby sneakypower » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:11 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:What sort of anti-logic nonsense is this.

i see whathe's getting at there; he's right in that his 'prime' was like 7 years but that's of course underappreciating his 5-win years prior where since he wasn't topping 20 HR he didn't seem like a behemoth

but an 18-year career going .312/.418/.515 is crazy good...David Ortiz ended with .286/.380/.552 and he'll flirt with first-ballot status
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:25 pm

I guess I just don't understand the idea of it happening "too late." Like, is he saying because he wasn't that good when he was a younger player, it should count against him? Why?

And man, I was surprised at Ortiz only being a 50 fWAR player. I guess I just assumed he was 60+ even with the slow start to his career.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby OleMissCub » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:41 pm

68.3 WAR is obscene for a guy that played 1500+ games without a glove.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby champaignchris » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:43 pm

They managed to put four guys into the Hall who deserved it - Vlad, Chipper, Thome and Trammel (with the Veterans’ Committee). Also letting two in who don’t deserve it (Hoffman and Morris) is better than the petulant “nobody gets in” thing that had been going on recently.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby sneakypower » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:29 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:I guess I just don't understand the idea of it happening "too late." Like, is he saying because he wasn't that good when he was a younger player, it should count against him? Why?

And man, I was surprised at Ortiz only being a 50 fWAR player. I guess I just assumed he was 60+ even with the slow start to his career.

Trout's already passed him

also with Trout, funny to consider the only realistic way he could possibly miss the Hall right now is if he has a 70 HR season
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby champaignchris » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:42 pm

With Rivera and Halladay being the only new candidates that will enter the HoF discussion next year, I think E Martinez and Mussina make it in 2019.

Then I’m guessing Bonds and Clemons finally make it in with Jeter in 2020.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby champaignchris » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:44 pm

Oh, and Rolen only getting 10% of the vote is a complete joke.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby sneakypower » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:49 pm

champaignchris wrote:With Rivera and Halladay being the only new candidates that will enter the HoF discussion next year, I think E Martinez and Mussina make it in 2019.

Then I’m guessing Bonds and Clemons finally make it in with Jeter in 2020.

i will definitely take that bet, and say writers won't let juicers taint the induction of did-it-the-right-way guy Jeter
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby Hunter » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:52 pm

sneakypower wrote:
champaignchris wrote:With Rivera and Halladay being the only new candidates that will enter the HoF discussion next year, I think E Martinez and Mussina make it in 2019.

Then I’m guessing Bonds and Clemons finally make it in with Jeter in 2020.

i will definitely take that bet, and say writers won't let juicers taint the induction of did-it-the-right-way guy Jeter


Channeling the East Coast mentality here.... Jeter will be elected all alone. He deserves to have the stage to himself.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby SouthSideRyan » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:57 pm

Clemens and Bonds aren't going to progress like normal candidates. There are plenty of voters who will never vote for them, that I don't know how to predict what happens with them. Absent some grand proclamation from the HOF or MLB, I'd bet on them being Veterans Committee guys.
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Re: 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Postby Derwood » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:29 pm

With any luck, 50% of the BWAA die in the next 3 years and are replaced by non-morons
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