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Re: The Business of Baseball (AKA never side with management)

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:02 pm

One of the most common arguments trotted out against things like raising the minimum wage.

"Why should fast food workers make as much/almost as much/more than EMT's?!?" Not that their problem isn't with salaries in general being far too low/stagnant, and that this means that, yes, EMT's should be making money...no, what makes more sense to them is that since Group A has it bad, that means Group B MUST have it worse. THAT'S what makes sense to them, as opposed to, y'know, people being paid better.
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Re: The Business of Baseball (AKA never side with management)

Postby Proven Veteran » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:04 pm

Multiple good takes from Chicago sportswriters in the last week. That's some crazy horsefeathers, man.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:05 pm

In the future people will just be rooting for their favorite billionaires because we're horsefeathering doomed.
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Postby Banedon » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:29 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:In the future people will just be rooting for their favorite billionaires because we're horsefeathering doomed.


Mr Bezos, will you sign my trading card?
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:36 pm

Banedon wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:In the future people will just be rooting for their favorite billionaires because we're horsefeathering doomed.


Mr Bezos, will you sign my trading card?

Either that or:

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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:03 pm

Owners should just cut out the middle men and do away with fielding sports teams. Instead, they can just post their quarterly financials for which fans can cheer.

The amount of parroted supply-side rhetoric I see on sports fan interwebs is mind-boggling <---(no, not really, I get why it's happening).
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:47 pm

What they know is that most fans don't bother, and plenty of fans will defend billionaire owners for everything.

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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:08 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/mlbtr-poll-have-teams-become-too-conservative-in-free-agency.html

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Look at the Dodgers. Got a bina fide ace as their #4 in Homer Bailey for an often injured pitcher, a DH homer/strikeout way past his prime guy, and a ticking time bomb in Puig.
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Re: The Business of Baseball (AKA never side with management)

Postby Bertz » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:15 pm

Since 2007, players have received between 53 and 57 percent of revenue annually, including 54.8 percent in 2018. Those figures, which include amateur signing bonuses and minor-league salaries, are audited and given to the union. They are not in dispute.


This is from Rosenthal's latest article in The Athletic. If this is true, why aren't Owners screaming it from the rooftops? It would indicate, that at the most macro level, things are fine. Yes, the specifics (e.g. minor league salaries) are broken, but it's a different dynamic from "greedy owners not giving the players their share."

Do we think the issue is a some horsefeathers'd up definition of revenue? Because if this is actually true and not just shady accounting, I would guess this info would quell most of the people who are currently upset. I for one would drop my pitchfork. I'd still be pissed about minor league salaries and PTR specifically, but not baseball's labor issues more broadly.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:26 pm

That acts on the (IMO) faulty idea that the revenue is ideally supposed to be split approx. 50-50 between orgs and the players, and also leaves out that up through about 2010, the players' revenue was typically approx. 60%. So the players' revenue HAS decreased in the last almost decade, the owners' revenue has gone up, and the owners are responding to the market like the opposite is happening.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:27 pm

And yes, that is largely the fault of the MLBPA''s terrible negotiation. But the owner's are shamelessly taking advantage of that AND trying to play the victim at the same time.
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Re: The Business of Baseball (AKA never side with management)

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:15 pm

I'm really liking the tear Ray Ratto has been on since joining Deadspin:

https://deadspin.com/kyler-murray-wante ... 1832539484

In other words, boys, girls and undecideds, baseball is getting its shoes squeezed at the arches while squeezing its own at the instep. But Kyler Murray isn’t part of the reason.

Baseball (and by “baseball” we mean the 30 billionaires who run the business rather than the game itself) could have changed its guidelines governing draft choices playing immediately. Bigger signing bonuses or swifter avenues of promotion through roster flexibility and service time might have helped grease the available skids to make Murray’s choice a lot more difficult than it ultimately was. The A’s could have made him the starting center fielder and then played him an inning at each position for the home opener and then renegotiated his contract after the game. If baseball really thought Kyler Murray could change the narrative that it is a 55-and-over complex with artery-ossifying stadium food, it would have done so happily.

Or it could have done what it actually did, which is not worry about the narrative at all. It left the A’s brainiac farm led by the silver-tongued Svengali known to us as Billy Beane to sell life as an Elephant as best as could be done because ultimately, Kyler Murray didn’t mean enough to the industry as decided by the people who run the industry.

Baseball is back to the dark old days of the ’70s and ’80s, fighting about short-term money rather than game growth. For management, contracts must be driven down, and for labor, the perks of those already in the game must be defended. Marvin Miller and Donald Fehr sold the players on the idea of fighting for the next generation of players, but those arguments have been replaced by grousing about their own shrinking options. These are narrow views of a far greater set of problems, but hell is paved with short-sighted intentions.

Kyler Murray would have brought buzz to a sport that clearly lacks it. He brings a fascinating set of athletic skills to a sport that has been condemned as insufficiently effervescent. He would have represented a small but braggable victory for baseball over the sport that already has too many teams in the league people care about and now two additional leagues, the AAF and XFL, that they didn’t ask for and will almost surely forget. Murray the A would have been a very nice get.
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Postby Brian » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:22 pm

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Re: The Business of Baseball (AKA never side with management)

Postby Bertz » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:08 pm



Blue Jays are raising minor league salaries by 50%. Still not enough, but at this point at least guys at AA and AAA are approaching adequate money. For reference, here's what players make right now (this doesn't include short season):

AAA: $2,150/month in their first year, $2,400/month in second year, $2,700/month in third, for a 5.5-month season.
(Total: ~$11,825-$14,850 per year.)

AA: $1,700/month, goes up by $100/month in additional years.
(Total: ~$9,350+ per year)

High-A, Low-A: $1,100-1,500/month, goes up by $50 per year in additional years.
(Total: ~$6,050-8,400 per year)

Dominican Summer League: $300 per month, $900 per year for the three-month season.
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Postby Bluescale » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:45 pm

Bertz wrote:
AAA: $2,150/month in their first year, $2,400/month in second year, $2,700/month in third, for a 5.5-month season.
(Total: ~$11,825-$14,850 per year.)

AA: $1,700/month, goes up by $100/month in additional years.
(Total: ~$9,350+ per year)

High-A, Low-A: $1,100-1,500/month, goes up by $50 per year in additional years.
(Total: ~$6,050-8,400 per year)

Dominican Summer League: $300 per month, $900 per year for the three-month season.


If I remember correctly, aren't MiL players also docked part of their room and board? Or perhaps they are responsible for it out of their meager salary.
One of my coworkers had a son who was drafted by the Mariners out of college. If I remember correctly, they got one meal covered during the day, and the rest they had to pay for. I know these guys are playing a game, and vying for an opportunity to be famous and fabulously wealthy, but the minor leagues really are a scam.
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Re: The Business of Baseball (AKA never side with management)

Postby Bertz » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:13 pm

Bluescale wrote:
Bertz wrote:
AAA: $2,150/month in their first year, $2,400/month in second year, $2,700/month in third, for a 5.5-month season.
(Total: ~$11,825-$14,850 per year.)

AA: $1,700/month, goes up by $100/month in additional years.
(Total: ~$9,350+ per year)

High-A, Low-A: $1,100-1,500/month, goes up by $50 per year in additional years.
(Total: ~$6,050-8,400 per year)

Dominican Summer League: $300 per month, $900 per year for the three-month season.


If I remember correctly, aren't MiL players also docked part of their room and board? Or perhaps they are responsible for it out of their meager salary.
One of my coworkers had a son who was drafted by the Mariners out of college. If I remember correctly, they got one meal covered during the day, and the rest they had to pay for. I know these guys are playing a game, and vying for an opportunity to be famous and fabulously wealthy, but the minor leagues really are a scam.


I'm not sure about the room and board thing, wouldn't surprise me, but I do know they have to pay clubhouse dues, which go to support the clubhouse folks who also don't make a living wage.
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