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Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Banedon » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:21 pm

https://theathletic.com/1363451/2019/11 ... -baseball/

Four people who were with the Astros in 2017, including pitcher Mike Fiers, said that during that season, the Astros stole signs during home games in real time with the aid of a camera positioned in the outfield.

Now, an MLB investigation into the Astros’ culture in the wake of the team’s firing of assistant general manager Brandon Taubman could be expanded to determine who in the organization was aware of the sign-stealing practice — and whether it continued or evolved in subsequent seasons. The Athletic’s confirmation of rule-breaking by Houston is limited to 2017.


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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Andy » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:30 pm

Gee, I'm stunned, all indications up to this point had them being an upstanding and virtuous organization.
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby cl smooth » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:39 pm

not to thread hijack but i'm in the middle of reading astroball and this story doesn't surprise me one bit.

also, read astroball since it's a great baseball book.
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Brian » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:00 pm

When they lost game 7 I asked for articles about their failed dynasty... this works too.
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:28 pm

Sterns came from the Astros, Yelich had ridiculous home/road splits last year, on top of their general BS. When other teams are mentioned as doing similar things to cheat I just assume it’s the Brewers.
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:47 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Sterns came from the Astros, Yelich had ridiculous home/road splits last year, on top of their general BS. When other teams are mentioned as doing similar things to cheat I just assume it’s the Brewers.


Boy, I sure hope the Cubs don't hire any of those dirty cheaters who are really good at cheating. No sir!
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:51 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:Sterns came from the Astros, Yelich had ridiculous home/road splits last year, on top of their general BS. When other teams are mentioned as doing similar things to cheat I just assume it’s the Brewers.


Boy, I sure hope the Cubs don't hire any of those dirty cheaters who are really good at cheating. No sir!

I wish we cheated more, there’s clearly little to no repercussions. It really wouldn’t shock me if we don’t attempt to do anything other than the “traditional” or “acceptable” in game stuff (like runner on 2B, picking up on pitch tipping, etc.). Since I’m under that presumption I’m going to bastardized any form of cheating by these immoral teams.
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Brian » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:03 pm

Javy is the 2018 MVP now
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:08 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:Sterns came from the Astros, Yelich had ridiculous home/road splits last year, on top of their general BS. When other teams are mentioned as doing similar things to cheat I just assume it’s the Brewers.


Boy, I sure hope the Cubs don't hire any of those dirty cheaters who are really good at cheating. No sir!


who you kidding? you cheat all the time! you cheat yourself when you only hike on flat land!

jk, cheat away cheaters
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Backtobanks » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:58 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:Sterns came from the Astros, Yelich had ridiculous home/road splits last year, on top of their general BS. When other teams are mentioned as doing similar things to cheat I just assume it’s the Brewers.


Boy, I sure hope the Cubs don't hire any of those dirty cheaters who are really good at cheating. No sir!

I wish we cheated more, there’s clearly little to no repercussions. It really wouldn’t shock me if we don’t attempt to do anything other than the “traditional” or “acceptable” in game stuff (like runner on 2B, picking up on pitch tipping, etc.). Since I’m under that presumption I’m going to bastardized any form of cheating by these immoral teams.


Well, we did play .630 ball at home. :-k
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Omar » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:02 am

Its okay, the Astros have a freebie for getting hacked by the Cardinals
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:08 am

Fiers 4th to last start of the year was in Houston, he went 1IP 9H 9ER 5HR 1K. Wonder if that finally made him crack to spill the beans on the cheating.
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby The_Achiever » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:48 am

I would be so pissed if I was a dodger fan.

Contract the astros!
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Regular Show » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:37 am

This has been well-known inside baseball. They also use cameras/advanced tech to figure out how a pitcher might be tipping their pitches.

I'm surprised former players are admitting it now. I don't know if MLB can retroactively punish the Astros for this because I'm not sure if electronic sign-stealing was prohibited in 2017? I hope they get punished for this.

Again, just like with human umps and an automated strike zone, there exists a technical solution. Have the pitcher and catcher wear an ear piece and have it called in on an encrypted signal. That should solve the problem.
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Soul » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:46 pm

Reports of banging on garbage cans and whistles coming from the dugout. How can the umps not hear that?
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Soul » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:55 pm

Regular Show wrote:
I'm surprised former players are admitting it now. I don't know if MLB can retroactively punish the Astros for this because I'm not sure if electronic sign-stealing was prohibited in 2017? I hope they get punished for this.
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I’m sure they can punish them now, but it’s too hard to do anything about the results of the 2017 season (if that’s what you are asking). For example, what if the Dodgers were doing something too? They sure aren’t going to admit it.
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Bull » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:03 pm

Soul wrote:
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I'm surprised former players are admitting it now. I don't know if MLB can retroactively punish the Astros for this because I'm not sure if electronic sign-stealing was prohibited in 2017? I hope they get punished for this.
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I’m sure they can punish them now, but it’s too hard to do anything about the results of the 2017 season (if that’s what you are asking). For example, what if the Dodgers were doing something too? They sure aren’t going to admit it.

That’s too speculative. But more to your point of the results of the 2017 season, if you’re giving reasons why not to hand the championship to the dodgers, the main reason is that there’s every chance the Yankees would have beaten the dodgers, or the other team the astros cheated, the Red Sox. Or did they cheat their way into the playoffs. How far do you go back? Did their mamas cheat on their daddies? We just don’t know.
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Banedon » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:09 pm

Soul wrote:Reports of banging on garbage cans and whistles coming from the dugout. How can the umps not hear that?


They can. But there's no rules against it. What are the umps supposed to do?
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:24 pm

Let's face it: it's mostly "cheating" as opposed to actual cheating, since the not really-rules are hinged on old-timey nonsense that treats cameras like sorcery that will steal someone's soul.
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:35 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Let's face it: it's mostly "cheating" as opposed to actual cheating, since the not really-rules are hinged on old-timey nonsense that treats cameras like sorcery that will steal someone's soul.



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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:05 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Let's face it: it's mostly "cheating" as opposed to actual cheating, since the not really-rules are hinged on old-timey nonsense that treats cameras like sorcery that will steal someone's soul.


No setting up a system with cameras in your home park so you can instantly relay signs to a hitter is capital C cheating. I'm not even sure there's a huge benefit(lots of hitters have said they don't even want that information), but when you're systematically getting it in a way that isn't possible for the opponent to do so because it's your home park, it's cheating.
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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:17 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Let's face it: it's mostly "cheating" as opposed to actual cheating, since the not really-rules are hinged on old-timey nonsense that treats cameras like sorcery that will steal someone's soul.


No setting up a system with cameras in your home park so you can instantly relay signs to a hitter is capital C cheating. I'm not even sure there's a huge benefit(lots of hitters have said they don't even want that information), but when you're systematically getting it in a way that isn't possible for the opponent to do so because it's your home park, it's cheating.


Nah. It's dumb for catchers and pitchers to still communicate that way 20 [expletive] years deep into the 21st Century. At worst it's motivation for the game to update something that should have been updated god knows how many years ago. It's such a ridiculous blind spot it basically deserves to be exploited (and visiting teams can exploit pretty damn easily, too).

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Re: Astros stole signs electronically in 2017

Postby soccer10k » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:22 pm

Ok Mike, now tell us how their pitchers are cheating also.
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