Cubswin11 wrote:Sammy Sofa wrote:sneakypower wrote:it would be so categorically boneheaded to exploit such a clear advantage to that degree, it'd be unquestionably solved in short order
i mean common sense would be just utilizing it in leverage situations...or who knows, maybe they were like the Price is Right Perfect Bid guy just doing it every pitch and 200 loud trash can bangs every home game went largely unnoticed to all and it actually had no tangible benefit anyway
Literally nobody here is denying they cheated.
The point that in a game rife with cheating at all times, especially this specific cheat, they just got busted on their particular method of cheating. It's faulty, IMO, to assume that their brand of stealing signal cheating was significantly more effective than other teams' brands of stealing signal cheating, and it's especially faulty to think this is some exceptional case, and that MLB will do much of anything about it.
I disagree with this. Do teams try and pick up signs/pitch tipping, sure. But they’re doing it when a guy gets on 2B or in pre-game video hoping to find something or a guy on the bench in game. I don’t think many, if any, teams have a camera fixed on a catcher’s signs with a closed circuit TV in the dugout to relay the info to the hitter every game. That’s just brazen and on another level and is somewhat backed by the stories we hear about people and players being shocked at the lengths they Astros have gone to cheat. All teams attempt to steal signs/signals (mostly “the right way”), I doubt many teams actually accomplish this more than a few times over the course of a year. The Astros presumably had the ability to do it for every home game at a level nobody does it at.
But that's the thing with baseball: cheating scandals always end up being exposed by the team and/or players out of SO DAMN MANY who were ultimately doing it best or the most. Like, it's NEVER an isolated trend or incident. I honestly look at players griping as being a tomayto/tomahto situation of some people looking it as guys genuinely outraged over the sanctity of their sport or whatever, and people like me who look at them as more being pissed that the Astros got away with doing an "accepted" form of cheating so well and to that scope. Like, "horsefeathers, my team(s) didn't try half as hard to give us the grey area (at best) advantage that pretty much all of us want and would accept at any time." I don't believe for a second that there's not another team out there who wouldn't do the same thing if they could, or have attempted it in the past along these lines or, hell, were doing it through last year and just weren't as good a team and didn't get caught. I genuinely feel like nobody in pro baseball can take some kind of high ground on this, and I think a lot of the fans doing the same are doing with some serious willful blinders on.
I don’t think they should be given some huge punishment. Take some picks away, fine the team and players who were doing it (if that can be proven), fire and/or potentially ban the team coaches/employees who carried it out and put in better protocols to make sure this level of cheating can’t happen again.
I'd be stunned if it hits the levels of how the Cards were punished for their hacking escapades, much less exceeds it.