80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue May 19, 2020 6:18 pm

Why in the world would the players association get stuck on, of all things, community dressing rooms and showers. It sounds engineered to be the dumbest hangup they could possibly choose.
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Tue May 19, 2020 6:23 pm

Do you even shower with your friends, bro?
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue May 19, 2020 6:31 pm

So either MLB is flat out lying or the players didn’t read or didn’t understand the prorating language/section in the agreement/had it explained to them poorly. Idk if MLBPA/Clark deserve the benefit of doubt they have an air tight agreement that didn’t allow for any sort of exclusions/conditions with prorating.

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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby CubinNY » Tue May 26, 2020 3:25 pm

I don't think MLB could handle this worse.
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue May 26, 2020 11:38 pm

I’m hoping these are just negation tactics with leaking stuff to the press and it is one of the first offers, but man if they horsefeathers this up and don’t play this year (lets assume it can be done in a safe manner) and then strike in 2 years MLB is going to have some serious long term viability issues. It will piss off and alienate a bunch of existing fans and continue not adding fans. I’m really doubtful right now they play this year, the owners are being greedy and shortsighted, the players seem dumb and disorganized and are run by an idiot in Clark. They also only have 1-2 weeks to really figure this out to hit a July 4 start date.

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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby Andy » Wed May 27, 2020 1:18 am

For people who are purported to be so smart, it's incomprehensible that MLB owners don't realize the damage they're doing to their sport.
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Postby soccer10k » Wed May 27, 2020 1:24 am

It really doesn’t seem like there’s going to be baseball this year.
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed May 27, 2020 2:08 am

Andy wrote:For people who are purported to be so smart, it's incomprehensible that MLB owners don't realize the damage they're doing to their sport.

I saw this pointed out on Twitter and didn’t realize it. The majority of the league, 70%+, makes under $5 mil. This new proposal comes close to the ~50% pro-rated plan for guys in that group and they might actually have won some of those players over with this. Or at least have that group, which is a majority, thinking they’re close. The guys making $2 mil or less are especially close to the pro-rated amount. So maybe this was smart and they have a good chunk of player support or players thinking they’re in the ballpark. The owners will always win the public sentiment too if it’s the $20+ mil player saying they want more and the guys making less are cool with the idea. They’re also potentially dividing the players on this if the majority or a lot of the $5 mil or less players are good to go and the $10+ mil guys, which are a minority, are pushing back.
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby 17 Seconds » Wed May 27, 2020 3:42 am

just cancel the season
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed May 27, 2020 4:24 am

Yeah, the owners are trying to get the majority of players ($5 mil or less guys) on their side here. And/or drive a wedge between the majority of the league vs the minority high earners.




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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed May 27, 2020 12:57 pm

I can not stand when schills describe this as billionaires v millionaires as if they're the same thing or even particularly close. It's going to be so disgusting to see how quickly the owners swindle cities out of billions once this is all over while still crying poor and using their press to make it work aaaafter they crush this negotiation
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby squally1313 » Wed May 27, 2020 1:55 pm

In response to Oakland (Owner net worth: $2b) saying they will no longer pay minor leaguers $400 a week.

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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby Andy » Wed May 27, 2020 3:55 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
Andy wrote:For people who are purported to be so smart, it's incomprehensible that MLB owners don't realize the damage they're doing to their sport.

I saw this pointed out on Twitter and didn’t realize it. The majority of the league, 70%+, makes under $5 mil. This new proposal comes close to the ~50% pro-rated plan for guys in that group and they might actually have won some of those players over with this. Or at least have that group, which is a majority, thinking they’re close. The guys making $2 mil or less are especially close to the pro-rated amount. So maybe this was smart and they have a good chunk of player support or players thinking they’re in the ballpark. The owners will always win the public sentiment too if it’s the $20+ mil player saying they want more and the guys making less are cool with the idea. They’re also potentially dividing the players on this if the majority or a lot of the $5 mil or less players are good to go and the $10+ mil guys, which are a minority, are pushing back.

It was fairly shrewd (if soulless, but whatever) of the owners to structure their proposal like this, but as I saw pointed out earlier, the players have to return the advance they received if there's a season. For the lower-paid guys, if you take their share of that advance out of what they're going to make under this plan, they really don't make that much at all.
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby champaignchris » Wed May 27, 2020 5:30 pm

I know this is putting the cart before the horse until they can figure out the financials, but are they really going to try to play an 82-game season in about 86 days?
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed May 27, 2020 5:31 pm

champaignchris wrote:I know this is putting the cart before the horse until they can figure out the financials, but are they really going to try to play an 82-game season in about 86 days?


I think absurdly expanded rosters are part of the deal and why they think they can pull that off.
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby The Logan » Wed May 27, 2020 10:04 pm

champaignchris wrote:I know this is putting the cart before the horse until they can figure out the financials, but are they really going to try to play an 82-game season in about 86 days?


They've had plenty of rest, time to nut up and hit some horsefeathers dingers, man
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby squally1313 » Fri May 29, 2020 2:11 pm

It's really funny that the owners ultimately proposed a progressive tax to the players because they knew it was their best shot of getting a majority of the vote.
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby stitchface » Fri May 29, 2020 11:00 pm

squally1313 wrote:It's really funny that the owners ultimately proposed a progressive tax to the players because they knew it was their best shot of getting a majority of the vote.



The whole situation is just sickening. Billionaires against the world.

Did anyone read Doug Glanville's column? Not much insight really but it was truly bizarre in that he seems to think MLB is leading the world in how to get back to playing sports . . . is he really that unaware?
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby Brian » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:37 pm

Owners: How about 80 games with weird sliding salary scale
Players: How about 114 games
Owners: 50 games, full pro rated salaries.

Feels like either no season, or the players will end up negotiating themselves to the owners first proposal.
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby NOLA » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:15 pm

Gotta admit, fans or no fans, a 50 game season would be pretty intense/fun to watch.
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:12 am

Brian wrote:Owners: How about 80 games with weird sliding salary scale
Players: How about 114 games
Owners: 50 games, full pro rated salaries.

Feels like either no season, or the players will end up negotiating themselves to the owners first proposal.

~75 game season with prorating and maybe a larger playoff would seem like the logical landing spot here. 110+some sort of playoff seemed a bit aggressive anyways. Unless they were willing to screw around with starting next season.
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Re: 80 game season with expanded playoffs, starting in July

Postby 17 Seconds » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:23 am

just do a bigass tournament
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