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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby stitchface » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:56 pm

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PackLandVA wrote:Was thinking AL teams that are HR-hitting teams might struggle in San Diego and LA. I've always those stadiums were not overly friendly for HRs, at least not during the night when the air is cooler. But it looks like LAD and SD lead the league in HRs thus far. Maybe the numbers are skewed because just about all of the games have been played during record heat out west. As temps cool in the evening, could prove a factor for teams like the White Sox, Twins and Yankees.

Could also be because both teams are full of players who knock the horsefeathers out of the ball.



easily checked with park factors. SD has definitely been a tough place to hit home runs.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby soccer10k » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:28 am

Think I'm going to take the 30th off work. 8 guaranteed playoff games including 4 elimination games is just too tempting. Could have 8 the next day also but that's pretty unlikely.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:53 am

Hope you guys are enjoying this 16 team playoffs because it doesn’t look like it’s going away.



I am not a traditionalist. I dig change when it’s good. But this is NOT good change. It he tries to jam the extra innings rule down our throats next year I don’t know what I’ll do
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:00 am

UMFan83 wrote:Hope you guys are enjoying this 16 team playoffs because it doesn’t look like it’s going away.



I am not a traditionalist. I dig change when it’s good. But this is NOT good change. It he tries to jam the extra innings rule down our throats next year I don’t know what I’ll do

That's so absurd. It makes a 162 game season so meaningless. Teams will drastically shift usage to protect guys, imo, and also spend less because why build a projected 85-90 win team when 75-80 wins gives you just as good a chance to make the playoffs and you can save a couple million dollars.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:12 am

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UMFan83 wrote:Hope you guys are enjoying this 16 team playoffs because it doesn’t look like it’s going away.



I am not a traditionalist. I dig change when it’s good. But this is NOT good change. It he tries to jam the extra innings rule down our throats next year I don’t know what I’ll do

That's so absurd. It makes a 162 game season so meaningless. Teams will drastically shift usage to protect guys, imo, and also spend less because why build a projected 85-90 win team when 75-80 wins gives you just as good a chance to make the playoffs and you can save a couple million dollars.


Man that is so true, I didn’t even think of the depressed salaries angle. Does the PA have any say in this? This change would be a negative for everyone involved with baseball except the owners. horsefeathers Manfred, I hate this soooo much
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:33 am

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UMFan83 wrote:Hope you guys are enjoying this 16 team playoffs because it doesn’t look like it’s going away.



I am not a traditionalist. I dig change when it’s good. But this is NOT good change. It he tries to jam the extra innings rule down our throats next year I don’t know what I’ll do

That's so absurd. It makes a 162 game season so meaningless. Teams will drastically shift usage to protect guys, imo, and also spend less because why build a projected 85-90 win team when 75-80 wins gives you just as good a chance to make the playoffs and you can save a couple million dollars.


Man that is so true, I didn’t even think of the depressed salaries angle. Does the PA have any say in this? This change would be a negative for everyone involved with baseball except the owners. horsefeathers Manfred, I hate this soooo much

They’ll probably go along with it in the end because they’ll see getting the DH, 26-28 man full time roster and an expansion team or two as a big win in the short term. Meanwhile teams will be lowering payrolls league wide since you don’t need to be aiming as high to make the playoffs.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby Bertz » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:29 pm

My guess is that they will keep expanded playoffs, but not these expanded playoffs. They're probably gonna do the plan from February where the top one or two seeds get a bye and you do the whole choose your opponent thing.

It still sucks, but I don't think the lack of incentives to make good teams better will still be there like they are this year.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby Andy » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:46 pm

Of course this is about depressing salaries. Why would it be about anything else? Now no owner will have to bother trying to make their team better than 85 wins. There's no reason to. Bigger playoff checks, no reason to spend in free agency - it's the owners' dream.

This whole thing is horsefeathering [expletive] and should be blocked at every turn by the PA, but it won't be.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:44 pm

Ouch. The 16-team playoff would be a game-changer for me. Can't say I'd totally stop caring because the team has been part of my life since childhood, but...........I'd stop caring a whole lot.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby ChiCubsFan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:49 pm

Yep. Agree with everyone else. I’d be okay with it if you shorten the regular season and then make every playoff series 7 games. But that won’t happen.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:20 pm

I think the motivation is probably more increased revenue than marginally decreasing salaries, but even if this meant the owners had to pay players more this is a terrible idea.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby bukie » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:40 pm

Back on the task of this year's playoff picture, here's today's update:

Current AL seedings (magic #):
1. White Sox 32-16 (3)
2. Rays 31-17 (4)
3. Athletics 30-19 (5)
4. Twins 30-20 (5)
5. Yankees 27-21 (8)
6. Astros 24-24 (11)
7. Blue Jays 26-21 (9)
8. Indians 26-22 (9)
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Outside looking in (elimination #):
9. Mariners 22-26 (11)
10. Tigers 21-26 (9)
11. Orioles 21-27 (8)
12. Angels 20-29 (8)
13. Royals 20-29 (6)
14. Red Sox 18-31 (4)
15. Rangers 17-31 (4)

Current NL seedings (magic #):
1. Dodgers 34-15 (2)
2. Cubs 29-20 (7)
3. Braves 29-20 (7)
4. Padres 32-18 (4)
5. Marlins 24-22 (12)
6. Cardinals 21-22 (15)
7. Phillies 24-23 (12)
8. Giants 23-24 (13)
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Outside looking in (elimination #):
9. Reds 24-26 (14)
10. Brewers 22-25 (15)
11. Rockies 22-25 (12)
12. Mets 21-27 (10)
13. Nationals 17-29 (8)
14. Diamondbacks 18-31 (6)
15. Pirates 14-33 (4)

Eliminations:
- The Diamondbacks can't win or finish 2nd in the NL West
- The Pirates can't win the NL Central
- The Rangers can't win the AL West
- The Royals can't win the AL Central
- The Red Sox can't win the AL East
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby Bertz » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:45 pm

From Rosenthal this AM

So, when commissioner Rob Manfred said in an online event through Hofstra University’s business school that he was a “fan of the expanded playoffs,” he was not necessarily endorsing the precise format we will see next month, the one that, according to Dodgers manager Dave Roberts, has a “non-existent” benefit for division winners.

Manfred also was not specifically talking about a 16-team field, considering Major League Baseball’s pre-pandemic idea, as first reported by the New York Post’s Joel Sherman, was for 14 teams.

And he definitely was not speaking with complete authority, knowing the Players Association must agree to any permanent change in the postseason. The union does not currently favor the idea, in part because of concerns that easier paths to the playoffs would disincentivize competition and reduce spending on player salaries. Many players opposed expanding from 10 to 16 teams even in this unprecedented season, and ultimately approved a plan only for 2020, not ’21.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby Andy » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:50 pm

It made me feel a tiny bit better knowing there were some among the players who didn't approve the plan. And I do remember it being on the table that they would approve a playoff expansion in '21, too, and that didn't happen.

I just don't want them to horsefeathers it up.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:16 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:That's so absurd. It makes a 162 game season so meaningless. Teams will drastically shift usage to protect guys, imo, and also spend less because why build a projected 85-90 win team when 75-80 wins gives you just as good a chance to make the playoffs and you can save a couple million dollars.


otoh, the grift is on you if you think owners actually need or want to try to win, at all
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby CyHawk_Cub » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:12 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:That's so absurd. It makes a 162 game season so meaningless. Teams will drastically shift usage to protect guys, imo, and also spend less because why build a projected 85-90 win team when 75-80 wins gives you just as good a chance to make the playoffs and you can save a couple million dollars.


otoh, the grift is on you if you think owners actually need or want to try to win, at all

There are still plenty of fans who unironically laud the Ricketts for being a top 5 spender. Imagine falling for that; believing being one of (not even THE, mind you, but one of) the tallest midgets is worthy of praise. A select group of billionaires doing all that they can to impose self-rule to limit spending....but thinking they are swell for spending near the self-imposed restrictions. It's unreal to me.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby bukie » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:16 pm

Playoff update 9/17:

Current AL seedings (magic #):
1. White Sox 32-17 (2)
2. Rays 31-18 (3)
3. Athletics 31-19 (3)
4. Twins 31-20 (3)
5. Yankees 28-21 (6)
6. Astros 24-25 (10)
7. Blue Jays 26-22 (8)
8. Indians 26-23 (8)
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Outside looking in (elimination #):
9. Mariners 22-27 (10)
10. Orioles 22-27 (8)
11. Tigers 21-27 (8)
12. Royals 21-29 (8)
13. Angels 20-30 (7)
14. Rangers 18-31 (6)
15. Red Sox 18-32 (3)

Current NL seedings (magic #):
1. Dodgers 34-15 (X)
2. Cubs 30-20 (5)
3. Braves 29-21 (6)
4. Padres 32-19 (3)
5. Marlins 25-22 (10)
6. Reds 25-26 (13)
7. Phillies 24-24 (11)
8. Giants 24-24 (11)
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Outside looking in (elimination #):
9. Cardinals 22-23 (14)
10. Brewers 23-26 (11)
11. Rockies 22-26 (11)
12. Mets 22-27 (10)
13. Nationals 18-29 (8)
14. Diamondbacks 19-31 (6)
15. Pirates 14-34 (3)

Clinches:
- The Dodgers have clinched a playoff spot.

Potential clinches today:
- The White Sox clinch a playoff spot with a win or losses by Seattle and Baltimore
- The Dodgers clinch no worse than the 6 seed with a win or Giants loss
- The Nationals would be eliminated from the NL East race with a loss and a Braves win

Eliminations:
- The Diamondbacks can't win or finish 2nd in the NL West
- The Pirates can't win the NL Central
- The Rangers can't win the AL West
- The Royals can't win the AL Central
- The Red Sox can't win the AL East
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby stitchface » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:30 pm

Only in 2020 can the Cubs calculate their division winning magic number off the third place team instead of the second place team.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby bukie » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:36 pm

Today's White Sox win clinches them a playoff spot. 2 down, 14 to go.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby Brian » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:04 pm

I don't know why anybody would buy them already, but the hats with the playoff logo patch on the side this year are $42.99! I recall the special event type hats were usually like $35.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby bukie » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:46 am

Rays clunch a playoff spot after sweeping a double header against the Orioles, coupled with losses for the Mariners and Tigers.
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby Derwood » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:33 pm

bukie wrote:Rays clunch a playoff spot after sweeping a double header against the Orioles, coupled with losses for the Mariners and Tigers.


Clutch + clinch = Clunch.

I like it
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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby jersey cubs fan » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:51 pm

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bukie wrote:Rays clunch a playoff spot after sweeping a double header against the Orioles, coupled with losses for the Mariners and Tigers.


Clutch + clinch = Clunch.

I like it


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Re: 2020 Playoff Race

Postby bukie » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:06 pm

Playoff update 9/18:

Current AL seedings (magic #):
1. White Sox 33-17 (X)
2. Rays 33-18 (X)
3. Athletics 31-19 (2)
4. Twins 31-21 (2)
5. Yankees 29-21 (4)
6. Astros 25-25 (8)
7. Indians 27-23 (6)
8. Blue Jays 26-23 (7)
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Outside looking in (elimination #):
9. Mariners 22-28 (8)
11. Tigers 21-28 (7)
10. Orioles 22-29 (6)
12. Royals 21-29 (6)
13. Angels 21-30 (6)
14. Red Sox 19-32 (3)
15. Rangers 18-32 (4)

Current NL seedings (magic #):
1. Dodgers 36-15 (X)
2. Cubs 30-20 (5)
3. Braves 29-21 (6)
4. Padres 32-19 (3)
5. Marlins 25-23 (10)
6. Reds 25-26 (12)
7. Giants 25-24 (10)
8. Phillies 24-25 (11)
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Outside looking in (elimination #):
9. Cardinals 22-24 (14)
10. Brewers 23-26 (11)
11. Mets 23-27 (10)
12. Rockies 22-27 (10)
13. Nationals 18-29 (8)
14. Diamondbacks 19-32 (5)
15. Pirates 15-34 (3)

Clinches:
- The Dodgers have clinched a playoff spot, no worse than the 6 seed.
- The White Sox have clinched a playoff spot.
- The Rays have clinched a playoff spot

Potential clinches today:
- The Athletics clinch a playoff spot with a win or loss by Seattle.
- The Twins clinch a playoff spot with a win or losses by Seattle and Detroit
- The Nationals would be eliminated from the NL East race with a loss and a Braves win.
- The Pirates would be eliminated with 2 losses today.

Eliminations:
- The Diamondbacks can't win or finish 2nd in the NL West
- The Royals can't win or finish 2nd in the AL Central
- The Red Sox can't win or finish 2nd in the AL East
- The Pirates can't win the NL Central
- The Rangers can't win the AL West
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