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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:02 pm

If it's real it makes the most sense for it to be a pitcher. Saves his arm, he'll be perceived as fresh for playoff stretch. A hitter taking 9 months off may not be of much value for a bit.
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Postby javy knows my name » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:29 pm

Also makes sense that it's the biggest FA pitcher who still costs you a pick to sign
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:56 pm

It’s tough for me to see it being Jake because at worst he’s probably looking at 3/55 and probably will end up around 4/85. That’s still a lot especially since he hasn’t made a ton in his career. Moustakas was my guess because he actually isn’t very good and I could see him having only 1 year deals out there and he probably thinks of himself as a top 3B.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Regular Show » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:44 am

Cubswin11 wrote:It’s tough for me to see it being Jake because at worst he’s probably looking at 3/55 and probably will end up around 4/85. That’s still a lot especially since he hasn’t made a ton in his career. Moustakas was my guess because he actually isn’t very good and I could see him having only 1 year deals out there and he probably thinks of himself as a top 3B.


It's not Moustakas. It's totally about J. Arrieta. No doubt in my mind.

Moustakas is still pretty young and can probably sign a 1-year deal for a high AAV and enter the FA market next year when teams will be more open to spending. Some team that loses out on Machado/Donaldson can then sign Moustakas as a decent plan B/C for their 3B needs. Sitting out for a long time doesn't really help position players in terms of leverage unless a key injury strikes a contender at that position of need.

That quote totally sounds like Jake. I have zero doubts that quote is about Jake, and I've read very little about teams being interested in signing him. Every top team seems to be targeting Y. Darvish or A. Cobb or trading for C. Archer because Boras and Jake are asking for way too much. Boras wants to avoid the GM/Team President in negotiations. He is trying to convince ownership to sign Jake to a long-term contract like what he did with M. Scherzer except no one is falling for it this time.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby ConstableRabbit » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:45 am

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Cubswin11 wrote:It’s tough for me to see it being Jake because at worst he’s probably looking at 3/55 and probably will end up around 4/85. That’s still a lot especially since he hasn’t made a ton in his career. Moustakas was my guess because he actually isn’t very good and I could see him having only 1 year deals out there and he probably thinks of himself as a top 3B.


It's not Moustakas. It's totally about J. Arrieta. No doubt in my mind.

Moustakas is still pretty young and can probably sign a 1-year deal for a high AAV and enter the FA market next year when teams will be more open to spending. Some team that loses out on Machado/Donaldson can then sign Moustakas as a decent plan B/C for their 3B needs. Sitting out for a long time doesn't really help position players in terms of leverage unless a key injury strikes a contender at that position of need.

That quote totally sounds like Jake. I have zero doubts that quote is about Jake, and I've read very little about teams being interested in signing him. Every top team seems to be targeting Y. Darvish or A. Cobb or trading for C. Archer because Boras and Jake are asking for way too much. Boras wants to avoid the GM/Team President in negotiations. He is trying to convince ownership to sign Jake to a long-term contract like what he did with M. Scherzer except no one is falling for it this time.

Woah, who is "Moustakas"?

Edit: oh, I guess you meant "M. Moustakas"
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Regular Show » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:49 am

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Cubswin11 wrote:It’s tough for me to see it being Jake because at worst he’s probably looking at 3/55 and probably will end up around 4/85. That’s still a lot especially since he hasn’t made a ton in his career. Moustakas was my guess because he actually isn’t very good and I could see him having only 1 year deals out there and he probably thinks of himself as a top 3B.


It's not Moustakas. It's totally about J. Arrieta. No doubt in my mind.

Moustakas is still pretty young and can probably sign a 1-year deal for a high AAV and enter the FA market next year when teams will be more open to spending. Some team that loses out on Machado/Donaldson can then sign Moustakas as a decent plan B/C for their 3B needs. Sitting out for a long time doesn't really help position players in terms of leverage unless a key injury strikes a contender at that position of need.

That quote totally sounds like Jake. I have zero doubts that quote is about Jake, and I've read very little about teams being interested in signing him. Every top team seems to be targeting Y. Darvish or A. Cobb or trading for C. Archer because Boras and Jake are asking for way too much. Boras wants to avoid the GM/Team President in negotiations. He is trying to convince ownership to sign Jake to a long-term contract like what he did with M. Scherzer except no one is falling for it this time.

Woah, who is "Moustakas"?

Edit: oh, I guess you meant "M. Moustakas"


Yes, ConstableRabbit I meant M. MOUSTAKAS. WOULD YOU ALSO LIKE ME TO WRITE IN ALL CAPS? I CAN DO THAT TOO IF THAT HELPS. horsefeathers OFF...
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:26 am

Did you mean F. Off?
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Regular Show » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:29 am

jersey cubs fan wrote:Did you mean F. Off?


Sure. Why not? You can F. Off too...
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Postby Bobson Dugnutt » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:00 am

would everyone just leave R. Show alone
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Bobson Dugnutt wrote:would everyone just leave R. Show alone


It's fine. Jersey Cubs Fan is going to be a prick. I expect that by now.

ConstableRabbit liked my post to "horsefeathers off" for some reason so we're fine. No beef with ConstableRabbit lol.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:29 am

Regular Show wrote:
Bobson Dugnutt wrote:would everyone just leave R. Show alone


It's fine. Jersey Cubs Fan is going to be a prick. I expect that by now.

ConstableRabbit liked my post to "horsefeathers off" for some reason so we're fine. No beef with ConstableRabbit lol.

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Postby Regular Show » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:33 am

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Bobson Dugnutt wrote:would everyone just leave R. Show alone


It's fine. Jersey Cubs Fan is going to be a prick. I expect that by now.

ConstableRabbit liked my post to "horsefeathers off" for some reason so we're fine. No beef with ConstableRabbit lol.

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That's kind of funny. Keep doing that bro. I bet you're really popular at work.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:15 am

Cubswin11 wrote:It’s tough for me to see it being Jake because at worst he’s probably looking at 3/55 and probably will end up around 4/85. That’s still a lot especially since he hasn’t made a ton in his career. Moustakas was my guess because he actually isn’t very good and I could see him having only 1 year deals out there and he probably thinks of himself as a top 3B.


If Jake goes the sign midseason route, he should just sign a 1-year deal so he can be a free agent again next year when numerous teams will be willing to go over the luxury tax.
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Postby Regular Show » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:41 am

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Cubswin11 wrote:It’s tough for me to see it being Jake because at worst he’s probably looking at 3/55 and probably will end up around 4/85. That’s still a lot especially since he hasn’t made a ton in his career. Moustakas was my guess because he actually isn’t very good and I could see him having only 1 year deals out there and he probably thinks of himself as a top 3B.


If Jake goes the sign midseason route, he should just sign a 1-year deal so he can be a free agent again next year when numerous teams will be willing to go over the luxury tax.


Yeah, that makes sense. The only problem is if he has a bad year then his hopes of signing that multiyear $100+ million deal are probably over.
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Postby DiceMan4221 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:26 am

A big reason I think its Jake was that I seem to remember him giving some kind of quote earlier in the off season specifically about "his numbers" over the past three years. I think its his mantra.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:40 am

Jake has “only” made a little more than $30 million in his career, I’m guessing he has an offer out there for at least double that in guaranteed money. While that would likely disappoint him and maybe he’s being stubborn..... I don’t think he’d be dumb enough to risk it and not take that at the end of the day, especially if he’s given an opt out or 2.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:42 pm

Players union rejected the league’s pace of play proposal (personally I’m glad)........ but in talks about it the players brought up bringing back bullpen carts and apparently it didn't get far....... who could be against bringing back these glorious things?!?!?!

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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:05 am

Sounds good to me. The stricter proposal is preferable anyway(and the reset for stepping off the rubber is a huge loophole either way), and the union gets to show they're pissed off and project that they're going to fight the owners on other things which should be much more consequential than the pace of play stuff which should make games better.
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Hot take: The Reds’ Luis Castillo will be a top 5 SP in the division this year.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:33 am

I thought this was an interesting/ominous take at the shifting economics within baseball, and how it's happening at the cost of the players. Definitely has me worried they'll be cruising for another big labor dispute a la the strike sooner rather than later:

https://deadspin.com/the-mlbpa-is-faili ... 1822305159
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:37 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:I thought this was an interesting/ominous take at the shifting economics within baseball, and how it's happening at the cost of the players. Definitely has me worried they'll be cruising for another big labor dispute a la the strike sooner rather than later:

https://deadspin.com/the-mlbpa-is-faili ... 1822305159


Maybe future free agent classes will help take the sting out by 2020, but early indications are the union is going to be about 1000% more angry next time around. It's probably worth assuming a work stoppage of some sort at this point.
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