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Postby NOLA » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:01 pm

It just seems like a way to voluntarily tax your bullpen. A manager burns a reliever, your starter has a bad outing and you’re stuck one man down trying to get through a game. Over the course of a season that could wear down a staff.
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Postby treebird » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:14 pm

do you guys think the outs the opener gets don’t count towards the 27 you need to win the game?
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Postby The Logan » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:26 pm

I think if you have a starter going who you know won't go longer than 6 innings because that's just how they profile or they're young and you're limiting their innings, I think having an opener makes a fair amount of sense. Just seems like a lot of players are going to get all cry baby about it as Bumgarner did.

Because he won't start the game, he won't rack up meaningless statistics to help his career. It also means starters will be more likely to finish out games, making closers less useful and hurting their financial value.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:29 pm

treebird wrote:do you guys think the outs the opener gets don’t count towards the 27 you need to win the game?

Or that it is a thing that has not already happened?
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Postby Bluescale » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:49 am

The Logan wrote:Because he won't start the game, he won't rack up meaningless statistics to help his career. It also means starters will be more likely to finish out games, making closers less useful and hurting their financial value.


In one sense, it could help in the meaningless statistics area. If there's an opener, the established starter who comes into the game second won't have to to get 5 innings to get a win. Likewise, if you enter the game with a deficit, even if you stink after you come in, the loss could very well be on the other guy. Truly meaningless stats, but we know how much they matter to these guys.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:02 am

I always assumed the main benefit to starting with a reliever was that you can start with a reliever with opposite splits of the "starter" that would come in for the 2nd inning. If you have Rich Hill up in your rotation,the opposition would pack the line up with righties, and the top of the line up is where you put your best hitters, for obvious reasons. But if you bring in a right-handed reliever to start the game, you either get an inning of good match ups, or you cause a bunch of early-game, non-double-switch PH/defensive switches (unless the other team is also starting the game with a reliever) OR at the least, you force the other team into putting their best split-dependant hitters lower in the order. Am I thinking of this wrong? I think the make up of the bullpen plays a lot into how beneficial it can be.
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Postby Derwood » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:05 pm

There may be some strategy to it now and then, but I certainly understand why pitchers who have contract bonuses based on games started (for example) would strongly oppose this trend.
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Postby Bertz » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:07 pm

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Postby squally1313 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:15 pm

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:I always assumed the main benefit to starting with a reliever was that you can start with a reliever with opposite splits of the "starter" that would come in for the 2nd inning. If you have Rich Hill up in your rotation,the opposition would pack the line up with righties, and the top of the line up is where you put your best hitters, for obvious reasons. But if you bring in a right-handed reliever to start the game, you either get an inning of good match ups, or you cause a bunch of early-game, non-double-switch PH/defensive switches (unless the other team is also starting the game with a reliever) OR at the least, you force the other team into putting their best split-dependant hitters lower in the order. Am I thinking of this wrong? I think the make up of the bullpen plays a lot into how beneficial it can be.


Mostly this, yeah. In an era where a team can have 3-4 bullpen pitchers more effective than the starter in a one inning stint, having one of those relievers guaranteed to face the other teams best sequence of hitters in the first is another benefit for me.
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Postby Derwood » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:26 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:https://twitter.com/TheKylerMurray/status/1095016263473119232


Is he firmly committed to a late growth spurt, because the dude is short. Like, short short.
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Postby soccer10k » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:03 pm

Bertz wrote:EVERY. HORSEFEATHERING. TIME.



It really is impressive how he manages to be wrong every time.
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Ive spent like 10 minutes trying to find an image to post....i mean its not hard I just screwed up and got frustrated....

Annnnnyways, I really dig the new Marlins logo/uniforms. Maybe thats just because the old ones were so hideous, but either way, very welcomed change from me
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:46 pm

Brian wrote:

The comments are awesome:
The more I see Sale the more I think he's better suited to be a closer. His velocity would be maintained with the much shorter amount of innings,and he certainly has the mental make up for it. Would fill a huge hole in the BP.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:52 pm

you'd be crazy to move him out of the rotation, the guy is a machinist
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:57 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:you'd be crazy to move him out of the rotation, the guy is a machinist


I need to clarify my like is a hate like
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:02 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:you'd be crazy to move him out of the rotation, the guy is a machinist


I need to clarify my like is a hate like

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Postby Brian » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:28 pm

Trevor got his feelings hurt.

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Postby 17 Seconds » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:09 am

why is his twitter @BauerOutage? wouldn't that mean he sucks?
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