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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:10 am

squally1313 wrote:That's not at all what I took from that, but also I could be missing some weird layer of your sarcasm, so....

The time used to decypher it won't be worth the payoff, guaranteed.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Irrelevant Dude » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:44 pm

Reading Ken Rosenthal's latest article, he indicated that MLB is already pushing expanded playoffs for 2021 in their negotiations (or lack thereof) for the coming season.

https://theathletic.com/2344146/2021/01 ... tle-sense/

We're going to have the terrible expanded postseason forever now, aren't we?
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:49 pm

Irrelevant Dude wrote:Reading Ken Rosenthal's latest article, he indicated that MLB is already pushing expanded playoffs for 2021 in their negotiations (or lack thereof) for the coming season.

https://theathletic.com/2344146/2021/01 ... tle-sense/

We're going to have the terrible expanded postseason forever now, aren't we?

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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Bertz » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:13 pm

Irrelevant Dude wrote:Reading Ken Rosenthal's latest article, he indicated that MLB is already pushing expanded playoffs for 2021 in their negotiations (or lack thereof) for the coming season.

https://theathletic.com/2344146/2021/01 ... tle-sense/

We're going to have the terrible expanded postseason forever now, aren't we?


Most likely it's gonna be 14 teams instead of what we had last year. This setup:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com ... twist/amp/

Better, but still bad.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:32 am

Get someone running the league that actually cares about the sport

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Postby Andy » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:02 pm

I'm ashamed of myself that this actually surprises me.



MLB owners aren't just acting cartoonishly evil, they are so horsefeathering stupid.

(And to be clear, it's possible the health situation really should force a postponement of spring training, but we all know MLB owners would give two horsefeathers about that if it weren't for the fact that they can slice players' paychecks by doing so.)
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Bertz » Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:27 am

Jeff Passan was on the Pat McAfee show today and teased a really big story dropping next week.

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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:38 am

Bertz wrote:Jeff Passan was on the Pat McAfee show today and teased a really big story dropping next week.


Gotta think it’s something bad and labor related, like the players are considering a strike because the owners are being horsefeathers wanting to shorten the season/cut salaries and players want a full season/guaranteed pay and a new CBA. Plus since it’s SB week the story will get buried if Passan is basically running it as PR for the league.

I suppose other news to tease like that would be expansion or the Rays moving? Or an owner in a McCourt/Zell type spot where they’re bankrupt/insolvent and needing to sell? Or maybe something with a plan for vaccinating the players and/or allowing fans to some capacity?

Whatever it is, I expect it to be bad.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Bertz » Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:25 am

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Bertz wrote:Jeff Passan was on the Pat McAfee show today and teased a really big story dropping next week.


Gotta think it’s something bad and labor related, like the players are considering a strike because the owners are being horsefeathers wanting to shorten the season/cut salaries and players want a full season/guaranteed pay and a new CBA. Plus since it’s SB week the story will get buried if Passan is basically running it as PR for the league.

I suppose other news to tease like that would be expansion or the Rays moving? Or an owner in a McCourt/Zell type spot where they’re bankrupt/insolvent and needing to sell? Or maybe something with a plan for vaccinating the players and/or allowing fans to some capacity?

Whatever it is, I expect it to be bad.


Yeah I'm expecting something bad too. I would think something labor/COVID related wouldn't be something he could sit on for a week+ though. Those have got to be too fluid I'd think?

I'm guessing something ugly in the vein of the Porter story, but with someone higher profile?

But I'm hoping he finally has the deets on the Yankee's sign-stealing. That's big enough to warrant that reaction but personally doesn't fill me with existential dread like labor ickiness.
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Postby NonProfitCow » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:58 pm

This is the big Passan story. He says it’s the most important he’s ever written.

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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Bertz » Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:10 pm

NonProfitCow wrote:This is the big Passan story. He says it’s the most important he’s ever written.



That's interesting. While it seems pretty bad, it's a relief from where my mind was going in that it's focused on a single person though.

I'm curious what the story is, I don't see a whiff of anything from Google.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Bertz » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:35 pm



After the acrimony of the last four years I won't begrudge the players one bit for aiming for a clear win rather than a draw, but this seems like an imminently fair offer to me.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:59 pm

How is that a fair? The owners get exactly what they want - a shorter season and expanded playoffs - and the players get....the salaries they already negotiated for....Coooome on...What am I missing here?
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:31 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:How is that a fair? The owners get exactly what they want - a shorter season and expanded playoffs - and the players get....the salaries they already negotiated for....Coooome on...What am I missing here?

They will overall play less games and get the same pay. You don't seem to be missing anything. What do you think is fair?
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby UMFan83 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:33 pm

Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/1355955509409566727?s=19

After the acrimony of the last four years I won't begrudge the players one bit for aiming for a clear win rather than a draw, but this seems like an imminently fair offer to me.


Dumb question maybe but what’s the reason for the owners wanting a shortened season? Guessing they think that if they delay the season a month it gives them better odds of having at least some fans in the stands all year?
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Bertz » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:55 pm

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Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/1355955509409566727?s=19

After the acrimony of the last four years I won't begrudge the players one bit for aiming for a clear win rather than a draw, but this seems like an imminently fair offer to me.


Dumb question maybe but what’s the reason for the owners wanting a shortened season? Guessing they think that if they delay the season a month it gives them better odds of having at least some fans in the stands all year?


Yeah my guess is the calculus is that they'd rather lose 8 games rather than be capped at something like half attendance in April. My understanding is also that TV contracts can get messy if teams play less than ~145 games, so they don't actually want to throw out a full month of games.

For the players, obviously since they're the ones putting their bodies on the line the extra month is massive if they're not giving up any dollars.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:33 am

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:They will overall play less games and get the same pay. You don't seem to be missing anything. What do you think is fair?


Fair for these two? Probably a full 162 schedule with on-time ST, full schedule released, and go from there. It's what everyone signed up for!
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Bertz » Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:56 am



Rosenthal doesn't frame it as such, but it kinda sounds like this is the players' biggest issue:

The union previously rejected the league’s offer of expanded playoffs, which included an increase in the guarantee players would receive from $50 million last season to more than $80 million, the amount they received for postseason play in 2019, the last time parks were fully open to fans. The players did not view the increase as significant, believing they might get a similar amount from the usual share of the gate receipts if fans are back in the stands by October.

Looking ahead, the players also might prefer to use their opposition to expanded playoffs as leverage in larger collective-bargaining discussions. As part of the next CBA, they could seek other measures to enhance competition, including, perhaps, a draft lottery for non-playoff teams and a reverse luxury-tax mechanism that would act as a quasi-floor the way the thresholds at the top act as a quasi-cap. The current agreement expires on Dec. 1.


Essentially, they want to sit on expanded playoffs because nothing on the table currently is worth those, and they know that's their big chip next winter.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:12 am

$50-80 million?

Reminder:

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jou ... eason.aspx

A typical 10-team postseason would have MLB expecting roughly $780 million in television revenue. This year’s format will yield close to $1 billion.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Andy » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:42 pm

The owners' current offer seems eminently reasonable outside of the expanded playoffs thing. The players absolutely should fight that. Not even as much about the money, though as Tom points out that's clearly ridiculous too, but because they know damn well what the result would be in terms of owners trying to field good teams.
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Postby seanimal » Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:37 am

am i the only one who never noticed that buzz lightyear looks like jim thome?

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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby CubinNY » Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:33 pm

Andy wrote:The owners' current offer seems eminently reasonable outside of the expanded playoffs thing. The players absolutely should fight that. Not even as much about the money, though as Tom points out that's clearly ridiculous too, but because they know damn well what the result would be in terms of owners trying to field good teams.

That is a great point.
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Excellent thread.

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