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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:10 pm

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Sammy Sofa wrote:The reason the protests exist in the first place is because of the disparity in how Americans approach racial issues, so there's zero chance of finding a way to get the point across AND appeal to a majority of Americans at the time time. Protests aren't supposed to appeal to the opposition; they're supposed to make them uncomfortable and force them, in any kind of small way, to confront what they've been unaware of or ignoring. That's why this...

If half of your potential customers (people who don't buy today) overwhelmingly say that they need the product to do XYZ or cost less in order to buy, the company would probably try implementing some of those changes to see if it impacts sales/profitability.


...doesn't work. The people opposed don't want the protests to be tailored to make them feel more comfortable or welcome. They just want the protests to go away.

There are a LOT of people like this. Some people will always find an excuse to complain about the protest mechanism because they don't want to confront these truths, or are racist, stupid, etc. However, I think that there are also people who are unwilling to listen that otherwise would be listening if this didn't involve the anthem. They're completely turned off to it. And that's why a lot of the national conversation is around those people being offended and the anthem, not the subject of police brutality, which I think is a miss.

But this conversation is actually happening because these neanderthals keep struggling to hide their bigotry behind faux patriotism.

the protest is working, it is drawing attention to the problem and making horsefeathers people uncomfortable.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby CyHawk_Cub » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:13 pm

I don't think we have agreement on what protest is supposed to accomplish.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby ConstableRabbit » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:21 pm

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Sammy Sofa wrote:The reason the protests exist in the first place is because of the disparity in how Americans approach racial issues, so there's zero chance of finding a way to get the point across AND appeal to a majority of Americans at the time time. Protests aren't supposed to appeal to the opposition; they're supposed to make them uncomfortable and force them, in any kind of small way, to confront what they've been unaware of or ignoring. That's why this...



...doesn't work. The people opposed don't want the protests to be tailored to make them feel more comfortable or welcome. They just want the protests to go away.

There are a LOT of people like this. Some people will always find an excuse to complain about the protest mechanism because they don't want to confront these truths, or are racist, stupid, etc. However, I think that there are also people who are unwilling to listen that otherwise would be listening if this didn't involve the anthem. They're completely turned off to it. And that's why a lot of the national conversation is around those people being offended and the anthem, not the subject of police brutality, which I think is a miss.

But this conversation is actually happening because these neanderthals keep struggling to hide their bigotry behind faux patriotism.

the protest is working, it is drawing attention to the problem and making horsefeathers people uncomfortable.

It's certainly drawing attention to the sentiment that a lot of people think it's disrespectful to kneel/sit during the national anthem and say you aren't proud of a flag that represents oppression, a discussion on employee/employer rights, the first amendment, and what patriotism means. But are you really satisfied with the share/extent of the discussion surrounding how horsefeathers up our police/justice system is?
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:24 pm

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jersey cubs fan wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:There are a LOT of people like this. Some people will always find an excuse to complain about the protest mechanism because they don't want to confront these truths, or are racist, stupid, etc. However, I think that there are also people who are unwilling to listen that otherwise would be listening if this didn't involve the anthem. They're completely turned off to it. And that's why a lot of the national conversation is around those people being offended and the anthem, not the subject of police brutality, which I think is a miss.

But this conversation is actually happening because these neanderthals keep struggling to hide their bigotry behind faux patriotism.

the protest is working, it is drawing attention to the problem and making horsefeathers people uncomfortable.

It's certainly drawing attention to the sentiment that a lot of people think it's disrespectful to kneel/sit during the national anthem and say you aren't proud of a flag that represents oppression, a discussion on employee/employer rights, the first amendment, and what patriotism means. But are you really satisfied with the share/extent of the discussion surrounding how horsefeathers up our police/justice system is?


The share, no. The actual count, more so, yes. Dumb bigots are going to dumb bigot, trump has taught us that if we didn't already know. horsefeathers horsefeathers have hidden behind the flag for generations, and always will. So what.

People on this very website have changed their tune from the time of Ferguson, to now. The progress will not continue unabated, but it will continue.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Tim » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:29 pm

Talking about the protest with one person has allowed me to make one otherwise decent person awfully uncomfortable about race relations in America this week. Even if most people have an initial reaction about it being about the flag/military/whatever, as long as this makes them voice that horsefeathers and have others call them out on it the protest is working.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:49 pm

Yeah, the point is to force people to at least talk about this, and it's succeeded. If it was tailored as something that most people agreed on, then what's the point in the first place? To make people feel good? That sounds like one of the Bum's "tolerance rallies."
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby ConstableRabbit » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:27 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:Yeah, the point is to force people to at least talk about this, and it's succeeded. If it was tailored as something that most people agreed on, then what's the point in the first place? To make people feel good? That sounds like one of the Bum's "tolerance rallies."

Haha did I miss this?
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:54 am

ConstableRabbit wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Yeah, the point is to force people to at least talk about this, and it's succeeded. If it was tailored as something that most people agreed on, then what's the point in the first place? To make people feel good? That sounds like one of the Bum's "tolerance rallies."

Haha did I miss this?


Oh man, it was one of my favorite Bum moments. I just found it, but I'm ashamed that I've been getting it wrong all these years...he called them "equality rallies!"

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archiv ... s#p2138252

It is, of course, in a thread about the Budweiser House.

We (mostly me) have had had fun with it over the years:

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archiv ... mit=Search
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby David » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:13 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Yeah, the point is to force people to at least talk about this, and it's succeeded. If it was tailored as something that most people agreed on, then what's the point in the first place? To make people feel good? That sounds like one of the Bum's "tolerance rallies."

Haha did I miss this?


Oh man, it was one of my favorite Bum moments. I just found it, but I'm ashamed that I've been getting it wrong all these years...he called them "equality rallies!"

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archiv ... s#p2138252

It is, of course, in a thread about the Budweiser House.

We (mostly me) have had had fun with it over the years:

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archiv ... mit=Search


oh my god that whole conversation hahahahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahahah
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Postby David » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:15 am

hahahahaha and then there's fat erik actually complaining about the budweiser house change of course he is
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:55 am

I like how there were people worried about the thread going off track.
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:54 am

Since people pouted about pizza talk, I'll go off track with a topic we never cover. I do not remember this exchange from da bum, but my God imb.

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archiv ... p=2051101&
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:09 pm

SouthSideRyan wrote:Since people pouted about pizza talk, I'll go off track with a topic we never cover. I do not remember this exchange from da bum, but my God imb.

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archiv ... p=2051101&


Hahahahahahah!

i was agreeing with you. i remember the heated arguments i had with my friends when we were playing pick up games. "I get to be heupel!" "I get to be brees!" "No I want to be brees!" "NO IM BREES!"

you couldn't go anywhere without hearing the question pop up, "who do you like better, brees or heupel?" it's a question that very nearly tore this nation asunder
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Postby mul21 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:43 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
SouthSideRyan wrote:Since people pouted about pizza talk, I'll go off track with a topic we never cover. I do not remember this exchange from da bum, but my God imb.

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archiv ... p=2051101&


Hahahahahahah!

i was agreeing with you. i remember the heated arguments i had with my friends when we were playing pick up games. "I get to be heupel!" "I get to be brees!" "No I want to be brees!" "NO IM BREES!"

you couldn't go anywhere without hearing the question pop up, "who do you like better, brees or heupel?" it's a question that very nearly tore this nation asunder


Him taking that seriously is peak Bum. My god he's dense.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:58 pm

David wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:Haha did I miss this?


Oh man, it was one of my favorite Bum moments. I just found it, but I'm ashamed that I've been getting it wrong all these years...he called them "equality rallies!"

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archiv ... s#p2138252

It is, of course, in a thread about the Budweiser House.

We (mostly me) have had had fun with it over the years:

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archiv ... mit=Search


oh my god that whole conversation hahahahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahahah


I completely forgot about the whole thing with him and Ernie Banks. Oh my god, da Bum was such a treasure.
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hahahahaha man that was the best era of nsbb
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Postby UMFan83 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:55 pm

Wow I had never seen that exchange and now I'm mad I missed 9 years of remembering it fondly.
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the small pillow gifts is my favorite bum anecdote, even more than pelosi
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TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:the small pillow gifts is my favorite bum anecdote, even more than pelosi


Link that horsefeathers, son.
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i can't find the original reference, maybe it got deleted in the hack or something. It was when bum told us he was Ba'Hai and discussed how they didn't do christmas, his family would just leave him a small gift each day on his pillow every day for 12 days or something. it was insane even though the religion sounds kinda cool tbh
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TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:i can't find the original reference, maybe it got deleted in the hack or something. It was when bum told us he was Ba'Hai and discussed how they didn't do christmas, his family would just leave him a small gift each day on his pillow every day for 12 days or something. it was insane even though the religion sounds kinda cool tbh


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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:48 pm

So many underrated parts to that page, including 12-year-old Laurens going "you dont know what its like to see your kids' happy faces come down the stairs on christmas. Also neither do i because im 12"
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Postby David » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:53 pm

i vaguely remember thinking he got way too much crap for that.

maybe it's because i grew up with a lot of jewish and indian/hindu kids who didn't celebrate christmas at all.
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TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:hahahahaha man that was the best era of nsbb


definitely. the piniella era was the golden age of nsbb.
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:56 pm

David wrote:i vaguely remember thinking he got way too much crap for that.

maybe it's because i grew up with a lot of jewish and indian/hindu kids who didn't celebrate christmas at all.


it was more just the way he was being so Bum about it. Woah Bum, there are kids out there of other religions? Get outta here.
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