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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby soccer10k » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:45 am

So the Nats are 50-51. For comparison, last year the Cubs were 54-47 after 101 games and had "woken up", having won 11 of 13.

To get 95 wins, they would have to go 45-16, which is a 119 win pace.
To get 90 wins, they would have to go 40-21, which is a 106 win pace.
To get 87 wins, they would have to go 37-24, which is a 98 win pace.
To get 85 wins, they would have to go 35-26, which is a 93 win pace.

Since they went to two wild cards, the lowest win total to make the playoffs is 85, from the Twins last year. In the NL, it's 87, done three times (Rockies last year and the Mets and Giants in 2016).

Right now they're 7 back of Philly and 5.5 back of Atlanta, who they're also behind for the second wild card. They've got 7 left against Atlanta and 9 against Philly. Bare minimum they have to win both series, if not 5-2 vs. Atl and/or 6-3 vs. Philly. They've also got 12 games against Miami and 9 against the Mets left, though Philly has 21 combined and Atlanta 17.

I wouldn't be surprised if 88 wins is enough for them to either win the division or snag one of the wild card spots but they're running out of time and they're going to have to play at around a 100-win pace the rest of the way to make the playoffs.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:02 am

soccer10k wrote:So the Nats are 50-51. For comparison, last year the Cubs were 54-47 after 101 games and had "woken up", having won 11 of 13.

To get 95 wins, they would have to go 45-16, which is a 119 win pace.
To get 90 wins, they would have to go 40-21, which is a 106 win pace.
To get 87 wins, they would have to go 37-24, which is a 98 win pace.
To get 85 wins, they would have to go 35-26, which is a 93 win pace.

Since they went to two wild cards, the lowest win total to make the playoffs is 85, from the Twins last year. In the NL, it's 87, done three times (Rockies last year and the Mets and Giants in 2016).

Right now they're 7 back of Philly and 5.5 back of Atlanta, who they're also behind for the second wild card. They've got 7 left against Atlanta and 9 against Philly. Bare minimum they have to win both series, if not 5-2 vs. Atl and/or 6-3 vs. Philly. They've also got 12 games against Miami and 9 against the Mets left, though Philly has 21 combined and Atlanta 17.

I wouldn't be surprised if 88 wins is enough for them to either win the division or snag one of the wild card spots but they're running out of time and they're going to have to play at around a 100-win pace the rest of the way to make the playoffs.

Yeah, they are going to have to get really hot and/or have multiple teams play some bad baseball. I'd be quite happy for them to miss out though because if we somehow got them in the DS they still would be scary as horsefeathers being able to use Scherzer/Strasburg 3 or 4 of the 5 games.

They also are done with every other WC contender other than the VBs and Rockies (3 games each) other than that they pretty much only have the division games (like you said and really need those Phillies/Braves games) and 2 series vs us left. So it's not like they have a ton of "controlling their destiny" playing a bunch of the WC teams.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

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Interesting concept, but it'll never happen in MLB. At least not anytime soon. Football clubs in Europe do this all the time. A FC loans a young player/prospect out to other clubs to allow them to develop and get crucial playing time. It's kind of similar to how MLB clubs work with their minor-league affiliates.

We kinda sorta did this with Chapman in 2016. Everyone knew the Yankees were going to push hard to re-sign him in the offseason, and that's exactly what happened.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:55 am

It's a fun exercise to think about but that just seems like a really dumb thing to me
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Postby Regular Show » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:00 am

Cubswin11 wrote:It's a fun exercise to think about but that just seems like a really dumb thing to me


It's not dumb; it's just different. So we're used to trades and an MLB team fully owning the rights to a player. It seems strange to us to "loan" a player to another club for half a season and then have that player return after the season is over. It's really not that weird or dumb or whatever adjective you want to use. I think this system would actually be really beneficial to small-market clubs.

TB would loan Chris Archer out every season around this time while he is under team control.

EDIT: Another nice side-effect is that some clubs might be better at developing a player. The pitcher you loan out might actually improve and/or learn a new pitch/grip in the new organization. Houston is certainly doing something different and Gerrit Cole has improved this year.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:49 am

nah, it’s pretty dumb
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:02 am

No, it's dumb. Especially with pitchers. You'd have managers Dusty Bakering their way through everybody else's young arms.

Soccer also has a situation where players get loaned out to entirely different leagues in different countries and all that really matters is whether or not a guy gets playing time. There is not "get your young guy playing time" equivalent benefit in baseball.
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Postby Banedon » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:03 am

jersey cubs fan wrote:There is not "get your young guy playing time" equivalent benefit in baseball.


Yeah, that's why baseball has the expanded rosters.
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Postby Regular Show » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:05 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:No, it's dumb. Especially with pitchers. You'd have managers Dusty Bakering their way through everybody else's young arms.

Soccer also has a situation where players get loaned out to entirely different leagues in different countries and all that really matters is whether or not a guy gets playing time. There is not "get your young guy playing time" equivalent benefit in baseball.


I was going to mention that. It would be problematic for pitchers and how some teams use them. Absolutely an issue for relievers on playoff teams. It would be a problem, but teams wouldn't do this "loan" system or whatever if they were worried about that. They'd probably do a straight-up trade if they were worried about some "Dusty Bakering" of their young arms.

I'm not saying this loan system is problem-free or likely to happen in MLB, but it has some advantages over the current system.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:09 pm

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jersey cubs fan wrote:No, it's dumb. Especially with pitchers. You'd have managers Dusty Bakering their way through everybody else's young arms.

Soccer also has a situation where players get loaned out to entirely different leagues in different countries and all that really matters is whether or not a guy gets playing time. There is not "get your young guy playing time" equivalent benefit in baseball.


I was going to mention that. It would be problematic for pitchers and how some teams use them. Absolutely an issue for relievers on playoff teams. It would be a problem, but teams wouldn't do this "loan" system or whatever if they were worried about that. They'd probably do a straight-up trade if they were worried about some "Dusty Bakering" of their young arms.

I'm not saying this loan system is problem-free or likely to happen in MLB, but it has some advantages over the current system.

Yes, in a sport like soccer, with a half dozen countries having their own elite leagues and 100s of teams participating in the process of loaning out a player to bigger clubs, or vice versa. MLB does not have an equivalent league anywhere in the world. The entire point of MLB is to try and make the playoffs and win a world series. We don't need a system that further rewards crap teams giving away their best players for money.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby Regular Show » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:23 pm

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jersey cubs fan wrote:No, it's dumb. Especially with pitchers. You'd have managers Dusty Bakering their way through everybody else's young arms.

Soccer also has a situation where players get loaned out to entirely different leagues in different countries and all that really matters is whether or not a guy gets playing time. There is not "get your young guy playing time" equivalent benefit in baseball.


I was going to mention that. It would be problematic for pitchers and how some teams use them. Absolutely an issue for relievers on playoff teams. It would be a problem, but teams wouldn't do this "loan" system or whatever if they were worried about that. They'd probably do a straight-up trade if they were worried about some "Dusty Bakering" of their young arms.

I'm not saying this loan system is problem-free or likely to happen in MLB, but it has some advantages over the current system.

Yes, in a sport like soccer, with a half dozen countries having their own elite leagues and 100s of teams participating in the process of loaning out a player to bigger clubs, or vice versa. MLB does not have an equivalent league anywhere in the world. The entire point of MLB is to try and make the playoffs and win a world series. We don't need a system that further rewards crap teams giving away their best players for money.


Yeah, so I don't really want to discuss this hypothetical system in great detail because it's not happening in MLB. So a crap MLB team wouldn't loan a player to another team in MLB straight-up for cash just like most crap teams don't trade a player to another team in MLB straight-up for cash. They normally try to get young prospects back in trades right?

The Orioles just traded Machado for prospects right? Let's assume this loan system existed in MLB. If this were last season and Baltimore wanted to get some prospects for half a season of Machado they could loan him to some team and then get him back in the offseason. They would get the prospects for loaning him out last season + the 5 prospects they just got from the Dodgers in a trade. This works out better for the Orioles.

I'm not getting rid of traditional trades and there would have to be rules in place for loaning out a player. Allowing teams to loan and/or trade a player gives MLB teams more flexibility.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:16 pm

If there is a US league where a loan type system might ever make sense it would be the NBA, definitely not NBA.

NBA definitely has interest in a better developmental model- will be interesting if they ultimately fall in the NHL, MLB, and Soccer models (or likely some combination of all)

MLB model is established though. It's not changing significantly- only area it may is the International FA market.
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you'll rip my baseball champions league proposal from my cold dead hands


I don't see much need for loans and no one would do it with SP, but for relievers or especially position players it's a fun exercise to think what the player return would be. Loans for cash would be dumb.
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Postby Banedon » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:06 pm

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treebird wrote:finally an internet website where i can learn about young men who have to figure out ways to deal with their extremely hot moms


But how will we ever find out about their FRIENDS' hot moms?
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:21 pm

So Sonny Gray also has some unsavory Tweets coming back to bite him.

I continue to be not-shocked that a bunch of white sports fans see the biggest problem as failure to erase old tweets, not the underlying attitudes that caused those words to be tweeted. Oh well, an apology and standing ovations from loving fans to come.
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CyHawk_Cub wrote:So Sonny Gray also has some unsavory Tweets coming back to bite him.

Maybe. Maybe not. There is a dangerous precedent being set where people are jumping to conclusions without the full context. While some of these people may be genuinely bad guys, I don't think it is fair or productive to keep digging through everyone's past for any sign of a potentially offensive remark.

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CyHawk_Cub wrote:So Sonny Gray also has some unsavory Tweets coming back to bite him.

Maybe. Maybe not. There is a dangerous precedent being set where people are jumping to conclusions without the full context. While some of these people may be genuinely bad guys, I don't think it is fair or productive to keep digging through everyone's past for any sign of a potentially offensive remark.

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There's nothing dangerous about that precedent
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Irrelevant Dude wrote:
CyHawk_Cub wrote:So Sonny Gray also has some unsavory Tweets coming back to bite him.

Maybe. Maybe not. There is a dangerous precedent being set where people are jumping to conclusions without the full context. While some of these people may be genuinely bad guys, I don't think it is fair or productive to keep digging through everyone's past for any sign of a potentially offensive remark.

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This is a bad post. There is no context where these tweets are ok or acceptable. These are hurtful, damaging tweets that people should be called out on. Free speech is not consequence-free speech. The only people this is dangerous to are those that use hateful speech.
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