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Postby David » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:59 pm

this would make me much more excited for the season
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Postby Brian » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:27 pm

in a scenario where pitchers must face at least 3 batters I see cramping becoming an epidemic, especially in left handed pitchers.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:30 pm

Brian wrote:in a scenario where pitchers must face at least 3 batters I see cramping becoming an epidemic, especially in left handed pitchers.

yeah, I hate the 3 batter idea.

Forcing pitchers to keep pitching is never a good idea.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:40 pm

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jersey cubs fan wrote: It has been framed in a way that this is an ownership concession to players. And that's bad. I didn't say they shouldn't agree to it happening. I said asking for it is dumb.

Intuatively it doesn't make sense for players to limit their demands, so is your stance that they are focusing on that demand in lieu of more impactful demands?

I'm saying it's a stupid ask for the MLBPA. It does nothing good for the MLBPA. It will help a handful of players play more often, but it will not be a net positive for the entirety of the players association. Owners framing it as a concession is good PR for owners.

So you do think the players should limit certain demands?

I don't see the harm in throwing the whole book of demands out there. If the argument is they left out bigger ones, by all means that's dumb to negotiate against yourself, but asking for more isn't bad.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:45 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:So you do think the players should limit certain demands?


No, I'm saying its' a stupid ask.
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Postby big ball chunky time » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:05 pm

being able to get happ and zobrist ABs (without having him in the field) seems like it would be good
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Postby Andy » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Brian wrote:in a scenario where pitchers must face at least 3 batters I see cramping becoming an epidemic, especially in left handed pitchers.

I think that rule is a completely terrible idea
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:21 pm

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WrigleyField 22 wrote:So you do think the players should limit certain demands?


No, I'm saying its' a stupid ask.

Why-wouldn't it be a good thing for the players?
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:28 pm

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WrigleyField 22 wrote:So you do think the players should limit certain demands?


No, I'm saying its' a stupid ask.

Why-wouldn't it be a good thing for the players?

it's a good thing for very few players. It doesn't add jobs. It just shuffles money around.

Players need to do away with amateur signing restrictions, lower arb and free agency eligibility, and do away with penalties for teams signing free agents. Those are things that helps the Players. The DH does not help the Players.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:32 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:being able to get happ and zobrist ABs (without having him in the field) seems like it would be good

Our pitchers are also extremely poor hitters compared to the league average, so double bonus. Of all pitchers with at least 10 ABs, only two Cubs were in the top 60 in wOBA last year: Chatwood ranked 32nd and Lester ranked 58th.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:36 pm

It's not like there are suddenly going to be a dozen Mo Vaughns brought into the league. There were only 9 guys who qualified as DH last year in the AL. You bring up a list of DH with a lower PA qualification and it gets very thin very quickly.

Scoring will become marginally easier, while pitching will be slightly more difficult.

Duel league DH is not a big win for MLBPA, especially not in the middle of a multi-season trend of blow after blow against them.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:38 pm

Plus it's a lock this will inevitably help the Brewers and the Cardinals more than the Cubs.
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Postby Derwood » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:39 pm

Adding the DH bumps the average salaries up a smidge. The average DH made around $7.5 million AAV last year....what does the average middle reliever make?
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:44 pm

Derwood wrote:Adding the DH bumps the average salaries up a smidge. The average DH made around $7.5 million AAV last year....what does the average middle reliever make?

No, no no no no no no

No.

Owners aren't going to raise their budgets just because one of the players on the roster is now technically a DH. There aren't going to be 15 new full time DHs averaging 7.5m. There aren't even 15 now despite there being 15 AL teams.

Money is fungible. The budget is the budget. The owners will spend what they are going to spend.
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Postby 17 Seconds » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:48 pm

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17 Seconds wrote:a woman died after being hit by a foul line drive at a dodgers game last year. i haven't seen the replay or where she was, but that shouldn't happen.

The article I read said the ball was a line drive that went just above the protective netting.


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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:52 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Plus it's a lock this will inevitably help the Brewers and the Cardinals more than the Cubs.

Last year, Cards were #1 in Pitcher wOBA and the Brewers were #3.
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:56 pm

I wish they'd tie the DH to the starting pitcher. Would be so much more fun.
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Postby Backtobanks » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:56 pm

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Backtobanks wrote:Theo must have had inside information which is why he said early in the offseason that Schwarber wasn't available.

Theo's insider information:

Schwarber is a good baseball player (and passable LF)


And would be a great DH.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:02 pm

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Sammy Sofa wrote:Plus it's a lock this will inevitably help the Brewers and the Cardinals more than the Cubs.

Last year, Cards were #1 in Pitcher wOBA and the Brewers were #3.


This is an insane attempt at refuting my epic doom boner, and you know it.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:30 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Plus it's a lock this will inevitably help the Brewers and the Cardinals more than the Cubs.

Last year, Cards were #1 in Pitcher wOBA and the Brewers were #3.


This is an insane attempt at refuting my epic doom boner, and you know it.

Insane? Its approximately half the story of switching to the DH.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:34 pm

"Ah-HAH; they're going to actually miss out on that sweet, sweet pitcher offense" is not a thing that should be said in polite company.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:52 pm

Us the Brewers and Cardinals all seem to benefit just fine from a DH. We have old man Zobrist to preserve, Schwarber, gets Willy off catching a billion games but keeping his bat in the lineup, gets KB/Rizzo extra rest, allows a super defense lineup too. Brewers have Thames/Braun/Aguilar to rotate and old man cain and Hiura is their best prospect and bat only. Cardinals have Jose Martinez who’s maybe the worst defender in MLB, Ozuna and his bad arm, and Carpenter and his bad arm. Think we all benefit plenty in different ways.
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Postby big ball chunky time » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:04 pm

from a fan perspective i dont think anyone is too concerned with who benefits from the DH the most on a team-level as there are very few truly impactful DHs like, ever. It just makes the games more watchable because i hate watching pitchers horsefeathering hit
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Postby Banedon » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:10 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:from a fan perspective i dont think anyone is too concerned with who benefits from the DH the most on a team-level as there are very few truly impactful DHs like, ever. It just makes the games more watchable because i hate watching pitchers horsefeathering hit


Also hateable...double switches with every pitching change so somehow you end up giving a crucial at bat to your last bench guy in late/extra innings.
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Postby Regular Show » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:41 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:from a fan perspective i dont think anyone is too concerned with who benefits from the DH the most on a team-level as there are very few truly impactful DHs like, ever. It just makes the games more watchable because i hate watching pitchers horsefeathering hit


I agree, but it was awesome watching Zambrano hit some dongs back in the day. When you have a good hitting SP it's fun (for a short while).

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