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Report: A-Rod, Melky, Cruz among star players treated at PED

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Postby ConstableRabbit » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:28 am

I'd love A-Rod's contract to get voided. He'd look great on a cheap one year deal for us.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:34 am

ConstableRabbit wrote:I'd love A-Rod's contract to get voided. He'd look great on a cheap one year deal for us.

He'd end up on the Dodgers if he's made a FA/traded
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Postby davell » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:10 pm

I think the A-Rod stuff is funny, but I find it hard to stomach the hypocricy of sports media at times. I can't believe there isn't more digging into the NFL, as far as this stuff goes.(if you're digging at all, might as well be fair) But since its on top and makes so much money, it's getting a pass basically. A few token mentions here and there, when in reality, it's probably got enough rampant use going on, it'd make Vince McMahon blush.

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Postby The Logan » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:17 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:I'd love A-Rod's contract to get voided. He'd look great on a cheap one year deal for us.


There's a chance A-Rod misses the whole season (ir not most of it) this year due to that hip injury
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Postby XZero77 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:41 pm

davell wrote:I think the A-Rod stuff is funny, but I find it hard to stomach the hypocricy of sports media at times. I can't believe there isn't more digging into the NFL, as far as this stuff goes.(if you're digging at all, might as well be fair) But since its on top and makes so much money, it's getting a pass basically. A few token mentions here and there, when in reality, it's probably got enough rampant use going on, it'd make Vince McMahon blush.


The NFL gets a pass because there isn't the same regard for the record books and "sanctity" of the game that MLB has. And because people love the violence, and the game is as violent as ever.

But it's obvious that the NFL is juiced. The one thing that always strikes me when watching old (not all that old, even 20 years ago) NFL highlights is how small the players were. Today's players are monsters in comparison. Bigger, faster, stronger. And not just a little, either.

And yes, the hypocrisy of the media when it comes to MLB and steroid use is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is the feigned ignorance regarding the steroid era, and how "shocked and betrayed" they felt about the "revelations" of PED use. Its disingenuous horse [expletive]. The rampant steroid use was at best ignored and at worst tacitly encouraged by the league, ownership and the media that ate all of it up. And for most of the steroid era, it wasn't even illegal within the sport.

Now if you use now, you're in a whole different category (at least in my book) than McGwire, Sosa, Clemens et al. Now a player really has to have an arrogant disregard to use what is explicitly banned.

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Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:56 pm

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davell wrote:I think the A-Rod stuff is funny, but I find it hard to stomach the hypocricy of sports media at times. I can't believe there isn't more digging into the NFL, as far as this stuff goes.(if you're digging at all, might as well be fair) But since its on top and makes so much money, it's getting a pass basically. A few token mentions here and there, when in reality, it's probably got enough rampant use going on, it'd make Vince McMahon blush.


The NFL gets a pass because there isn't the same regard for the record books and "sanctity" of the game that MLB has. And because people love the violence, and the game is as violent as ever.

But it's obvious that the NFL is juiced. The one thing that always strikes me when watching old (not all that old, even 20 years ago) NFL highlights is how small the players were. Today's players are monsters in comparison. Bigger, faster, stronger. And not just a little, either.

And yes, the hypocrisy of the media when it comes to MLB and steroid use is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is the feigned ignorance regarding the steroid era, and how "shocked and betrayed" they felt about the "revelations" of PED use. Its disingenuous horse [expletive]. The rampant steroid use was at best ignored and at worst tacitly encouraged by the league, ownership and the media that ate all of it up. And for most of the steroid era, it wasn't even illegal within the sport.

Now if you use now, you're in a whole different category (at least in my book) than McGwire, Sosa, Clemens et al. Now a player really has to have an arrogant disregard to use what is explicitly banned.


While there is crossover, you also have to take into account that baseball media are not the same people as football media. Baseball people lived on the mythology of their heroes forever. It was always about the innocence of childhood and the past. Baseball media is sanctimonious by nature.

Also, guys weren't really smaller 20 years ago. Steroids were huge in the NFL in the 70's/80's/90's. They may be faster now, but they aren't all that much more huge. There are more guys today who can be described as ripped, but that's probably more to do with the refined training (and PED) use, rather than increased usage.

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Postby davell » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:23 pm

Ray Lewis is in the news today for roids ironically. He's on tape for asking for IGF-1. Which is banned in the NFL. But its not tested for. Seriously. Plus, they had no testibg on HGH until the latest CBA. And THAT is still being held up with disagreements over how its implemented. So, there's no testing yet and won't be next season either.

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Postby IUBrian » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:28 pm

Given what Ray Lewis has, uh, "gotten away with" in the past, I'm guessing this one won't stain his reputation much. (nor will it stain that missing white suit, but I digress.)
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Postby NewUserName » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:38 pm

NFL management makes it more of a personal health issue than a cheating issue. Not that it really makes a difference, but the message they give is more a health thing, therefore the press does not get their pants in a bind about it.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:40 pm

The Yankees are looking at ways to void Arod's contract, but they can't make any decisions until MLB's "official investigation" into the matter is done.
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Postby bhogg » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:06 pm

Players in all sports are bigger now than 20+ years ago. Maybe it's rounds, maybe it's the chicken. I don't know.
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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:18 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:The Yankees are looking at ways to void Arod's contract, but they can't make any decisions until MLB's "official investigation" into the matter is done.


Annoys me that they sign him to this ridiculous contract, watch him decline quite a bit and then might get to void the deal right when it was getting to be quite the burden for them.
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Postby Careless » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:18 pm

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Also, guys weren't really smaller 20 years ago. Steroids were huge in the NFL in the 70's/80's/90's. They may be faster now, but they aren't all that much more huge. There are more guys today who can be described as ripped, but that's probably more to do with the refined training (and PED) use, rather than increased usage.

Erm... The Fridge wouldn't be worth a nickname if he showed up today.Yes, they're bigger than they were in the 70s and 80s.
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Also, guys weren't really smaller 20 years ago. Steroids were huge in the NFL in the 70's/80's/90's. They may be faster now, but they aren't all that much more huge. There are more guys today who can be described as ripped, but that's probably more to do with the refined training (and PED) use, rather than increased usage.

Erm... The Fridge wouldn't be worth a nickname if he showed up today.Yes, they're bigger than they were in the 70s and 80s.


People said that same thing about the fridge in the 90's, 20 years ago. Proper PED usage isn't making guys larger, it's making them stronger/quicker and allowing them to heal faster. Richard Dent and Reggie White were two of the premium pass rushing ends of the previous era, and they are the same size as many of today's guys. Dick Butkus was a 6'3" 250 pound LB, which isn't different from todays' players. There are a few big fat dudes clogging up the middle, but that style of play isn't as popular as the smaller faster players.

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Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:43 am

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Also, guys weren't really smaller 20 years ago. Steroids were huge in the NFL in the 70's/80's/90's. They may be faster now, but they aren't all that much more huge. There are more guys today who can be described as ripped, but that's probably more to do with the refined training (and PED) use, rather than increased usage.

Erm... The Fridge wouldn't be worth a nickname if he showed up today.Yes, they're bigger than they were in the 70s and 80s.


Yeah, because there's a lot more great big fat guys in the NFL. That's different.
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:14 pm

Looks like its mostly on the line. Are those averages or medians, though? Doesn't seem to say.
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:32 pm

How do you not put a single chart in an article like that?

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Postby Derwood » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:31 pm

Now the head of the Miami clinic is saying he injected A-Rod directly

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Postby abmillis » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:35 pm

Derwood wrote:Now the head of the Miami clinic is saying he injected A-Rod directly


wonder if the Yankees would go so far as to pay him to say that in an attempt to void A-Rod's contract

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Derwood wrote:Now the head of the Miami clinic is saying he injected A-Rod directly


wonder if the Yankees would go so far as to pay him to say that in an attempt to void A-Rod's contract

Sure, if they wanted to have to give the Yankees franchise to A-Rod after the lawsuit.

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Postby BCVM22 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:35 pm

Ryan Braun's name has been found in the clinic's records. He'll be added to the investigation with the other players.

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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:43 pm

Can I be Jack's complete lack of surprise and sense of apathy at the same time?


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