#NotAllPitchers

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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:08 pm

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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:23 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1024397360384942086

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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:41 pm

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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:42 pm

Shoulder inflammation

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Postby Jaxbro » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:22 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/1024409202192732160?s=21

And he has quarantined from the Yanks.

Something in the air in NYC, first Thor now this
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The Cubs’ transaction list under Epstein and Hoyer reads like a work of fiction, a wish-fulfillment list composed in hindsight.

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Postby soccer10k » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:38 am

Cueto will have Tommy John tomorrow.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Proven Veteran » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:59 am

Jaxbro wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/1024409202192732160?s=21

And he has quarantined from the Yanks.

Something in the air in NYC, first Thor now this


I had that a few years ago, it was horsefeathering awful.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:15 am

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Hold on to them pitchers, Mets
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:14 pm

Well that's kind of scary:



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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby jehr » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:06 am

I've missed Lester's last few starts. Any theories as to what's going on? Results seem more than what we would expect from regression since the break, but I don't know if velocity is down, is he fighting their some discomfort, etc...

Should we be looking at shutting him down for a bit, even if it means Walkman gets a couple of starts? I want later healthy for the postseason more than I want Walkman to not start anymore...
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:14 pm

jehr wrote:I've missed Lester's last few starts. Any theories as to what's going on? Results seen more than what we would expect from regression since the break, but I don't know if velocity is down, is he fighting their some discomfort, etc...

Should we be looking at shutting him down for a bit, even if it means Walkman gets a couple of starts? I want later healthy for the postseason more than I want Walkman to not start anymore...


He says he’s healthy and his velocity has looked good. His command has been garbage. Hopefully that’s just a mechanical issue and an easy fix. He doesn’t have the stuff to get away with throwing so many pitches over the heart of the plate.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:53 pm

Anyone else remember the 'Nelson will be back in the rotation in June' headlines before spring training? I still can't believe those were written, he tore his labrum in September.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:54 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Anyone else remember the 'Nelson will be back in the rotation in June' headlines before spring training? I still can't believe those were written, he tore his labrum in September.

Yeah it was crazy.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby badger » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:31 am

Cubswin11 wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Anyone else remember the 'Nelson will be back in the rotation in June' headlines before spring training? I still can't believe those were written, he tore his labrum in September.

Yeah it was crazy.


I don't know a lot about rehabbing injuries but wasn't Schwarber's comeback in the same season after shredding his knee crazy too? Not in the same category/analogous as a labrum for a pitcher?
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:44 am

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Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Anyone else remember the 'Nelson will be back in the rotation in June' headlines before spring training? I still can't believe those were written, he tore his labrum in September.

Yeah it was crazy.


I don't know a lot about rehabbing injuries but wasn't Schwarber's comeback in the same season after shredding his knee crazy too? Not in the same category/analogous as a labrum for a pitcher?

It was relatively crazy and he was still limited (couldn’t play the field), but knee injuries have come such a long ways in recent years with surgeries, medicine, rehab, etc that the window to come back is shrinking/has shrunk. Peterson came back from a blown out knee in like 8-9 months and was back to being a NFL RB.

Shoulder surgeries/rehab for pitchers especially aren’t anywhere near where knee injury surgeries/rehab have evolved to.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby stitchface » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:45 am

yea torn labrum and pitcher sounds like career ending. How many have come back successfully? Carpenter? A couple others?
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:25 am

Morrow has competition for stupidest back injury:

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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Banedon » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:07 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Morrow has competition for stupidest back injury:



Back injuries/pain really do happen from the dumbest horsefeathers though.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby The Logan » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:10 pm

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Doctor: Okay, Jimmy, you know how you attacked hitters before your injury?
Jimmy: Hell yeah.
Doctor: Well, that caused you to tear your labrum. You need to make some mechanical adjustments if you want to stay healthy and get back on the mound quicker.
Jimmy: .......
Doctor: Jimmy?
Jimmy: ......
Doctor: You okay?

*Jimmy starts to walk out, but stops at the door and turns around*

Jimmy: Hey, Doc?
Doctor: Yeah?
Jimmy: ...... horsefeathers you.

*Jimmy leaves*

HEADLINE: JIMMY NELSON OUT INDEFINITELY WITH REHAB SETBACK
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby badger » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:02 pm

Banedon wrote:
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Morrow has competition for stupidest back injury:



Back injuries/pain really do happen from the dumbest horsefeathers though.


I sammy Sosa'd a couple years ago with not that aggressive of a sneeze and was immobile for a few days.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby mul21 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:52 pm

badger wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Anyone else remember the 'Nelson will be back in the rotation in June' headlines before spring training? I still can't believe those were written, he tore his labrum in September.

Yeah it was crazy.


I don't know a lot about rehabbing injuries but wasn't Schwarber's comeback in the same season after shredding his knee crazy too? Not in the same category/analogous as a labrum for a pitcher?


Definitely not in the same realm. The amount of work you have to do just to regain range of motion on a torn labrum is ridiculous and most guys never recover all the velocity they had previously because of that alone. When you have an ACL tear, you're on a mobility machine regaining a huge chunk of range of motion damn near before you wake up from surgery. Shoulders suck. I've had mine fixed twice.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby 17 Seconds » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:49 am

bauer broke his leg
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