#NotAllPitchers

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Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:42 pm

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TomtheBombadil wrote:This is a punchable thing to say but I have been following Harvey since he was a HS senior and genuinely feel bad for the guy. Hopefully he avoids surgery and gets the opp for PRP treatment instead just on the principle that it beats the [expletive] out of a blade.


From what I understand, the surgery is inevitable, right? It's either get the surgery now, or take the short-term fix and then get surgery in the off-season.


I don't understand at all and am just rooting to avoid surgery out of principle. Sucks if surgery is really is inevitable
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Duke Silver » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:45 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Duke Silver wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:This is a punchable thing to say but I have been following Harvey since he was a HS senior and genuinely feel bad for the guy. Hopefully he avoids surgery and gets the opp for PRP treatment instead just on the principle that it beats the [expletive] out of a blade.


From what I understand, the surgery is inevitable, right? It's either get the surgery now, or take the short-term fix and then get surgery in the off-season.


I don't understand at all and am just rooting to avoid surgery out of principle. Sucks if surgery is really is inevitable


Neither do I. I just read that somewhere earlier, I thought. I might be off, considering I don't even remember the source.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:16 am

jersey cubs fan wrote:you know what else they remove a rib for?

Damn you, I wanted that one
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:06 am

Duke Silver wrote:
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From what I understand, the surgery is inevitable, right? It's either get the surgery now, or take the short-term fix and then get surgery in the off-season.


I don't understand at all and am just rooting to avoid surgery out of principle. Sucks if surgery is really is inevitable


Neither do I. I just read that somewhere earlier, I thought. I might be off, considering I don't even remember the source.


Anthony DiComo of MLB.com wrote:Once the envy of baseball, the Mets' starting-pitching depth is thinning by the day. Matt Harvey is suffering from symptoms consistent with thoracic outlet syndrome, according to general manager Sandy Alderson, and is deciding whether to undergo season-ending surgery. Harvey is also weighing a non-surgical injection treatment option.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Splendid Splinter » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:16 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Duke Silver wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:
I don't understand at all and am just rooting to avoid surgery out of principle. Sucks if surgery is really is inevitable


Neither do I. I just read that somewhere earlier, I thought. I might be off, considering I don't even remember the source.


Anthony DiComo of MLB.com wrote:Once the envy of baseball, the Mets' starting-pitching depth is thinning by the day. Matt Harvey is suffering from symptoms consistent with thoracic outlet syndrome, according to general manager Sandy Alderson, and is deciding whether to undergo season-ending surgery. Harvey is also weighing a non-surgical injection treatment option.


Basically it's "have the surgery now or do the injection (cortisone IIRC) and hopefully it'll give you some relief, then get the surgery right after season is over, and be ready by next season." It won't go away for Harvey because of the repetition of the pitching motion. Eventually he's getting that surgery unless he wants to retire.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:23 am

Yeah, there was more I should have copied from that....

Two days later, the Mets placed Harvey on the disabled list, sending him to St. Louis for an examination by vascular specialist Dr. Robert Thompson. Harvey learned during that meeting that the only way to avoid surgery is to receive a nerve-blocking injection -- a treatment that the Mets consider not only temporary, but also unguaranteed to be effective..."I do believe that surgery is probably inevitable," Alderson said, "and more a question of timing than anything else."
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:44 pm

SNY just posted that he will be having the surgery
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:40 am

Syndergaard left the mets game injured.

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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:32 pm

“It’s that time of the year,” Syndergaard said. “My first full season in the big leagues. I’ve thrown a lot of pitches and a lot of innings so far. It just boils down to a little bit of fatigue.”

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Syndergaard — who has been pitching with what the team has called a small bone spur in his throwing arm — tried to wave Chicklo and Collins off when they first emerged from the dugout. His first three pitches to Jayson Werth with two outs in the fifth inning were 93 m.p.h. fastballs and an 86 m.p.h. slider.

But when Syndergaard threw a fastball at an uncharacteristically slow 91 m.p.h., catcher Rene Rivera jogged to the mound to talk to him. As Rivera headed back behind the plate, Collins and Chicklo approached the pitcher. After a brief conversation, he relented and left the game.

“There’s no discomfort in the elbow regarding the bone spur,” Syndergaard said. “I felt like I could still go out there and pitch through this. It really all boils down to a little shoulder fatigue.”


Cespedes also left the Mets game with a quad injury.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubbie Swagger » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:31 am

Banedon wrote:
CubInOK wrote:
Liam Neeson wrote:

I got this article on Wikipedia, and I still don't know what thoracic outlet syndrome is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoraci ... t_syndrome


My wife had a rib excised because of it several years ago. It's basically when blood vessels or nerves get pinched funny...in my wife's case between a rib and another bone (I don't remember all of the details at this point). In her case, she had tingling in her arm, and pain in her funny bone and back area. She was actually dealing with it, not thinking much of it, but a neurologist she goes to for another condition noticed muscle loss in her left hand, and it eventually was traced back to this. Once she had the rib excised, she's had no problems.

OH MY GOD

This is gonna sound really weird, but I have always had this weird fear of blood vessels and/or organs getting pinched between bones, and I always try to tell myself how irrational it is. Now I find out it's an actual thing that can happen.

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Postby weis21 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:02 pm

Cubbie Swagger wrote:This is gonna sound really weird, but I have always had this weird fear of blood vessels and/or organs getting pinched between bones

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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:12 am

Shelby Miller demoted to AAA, lol, F them all
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Postby UMFan83 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:23 am

Cubswin11 wrote:Shelby Miller demoted to AAA, lol, F them all


Who plays in the majors sooner Shelby or Swanson?
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Postby PackLandVA » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:06 am

Maybe they're recoiling him for eventual move to the pen.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby David » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:37 pm

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The Cubs’ transaction list under Epstein and Hoyer reads like a work of fiction, a wish-fulfillment list composed in hindsight.

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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Post Count Padder » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:34 pm

Angels right-hander Nick Tropeano has been diagnosed with a medium- to high-grade tear of the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow, the team informed reporters (Twitter link via Mike DiGiovanna of the L.A. Times). While he’s headed for a second opinion, Tommy John surgery is the likely outcome. While he could potentially aim for the same stem-cell treatment that teammates Andrew Heaney and Garrett Richards have utilized — Heaney has been ticketed for Tommy John surgery in spite of said alternative — MLB.com’s Alden Gonzalez notes (links to Twitter) that doing so would mean that Tropeano’s recovery would linger well into the 2018 season if he attempts the treatment and ultimately finds it unsuccessful.
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Postby apete6 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:35 pm

David wrote:


This is the freaking worst.
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Postby Banedon » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:40 pm

apete6 wrote:
David wrote:


This is the freaking worst.


I can think of so many worse things.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:44 pm

Great, so he'll be well rested for the playoffs. Boooo
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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:46 pm

I'd be pretty shocked if he pitched again this year, or at least was able to come back effective/make regular starts, his injury needs a surgery to make it right. Rest doesn't help it.

Long story, short. I am buddies with an NBA player and was in Vegas for summer league with him 2 weeks ago, we were talking about baseball and Kershaw's injury came up. My buddy said he had the same injury this year that Kershaw has now, Kershaw is working with the same doctors that did his surgery/diagnosis, and rest/rehab/shots/etc. don't help at all, you need to have the surgery to fix it.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby apete6 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:52 pm

Banedon wrote:
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This is the freaking worst.


I can think of so many worse things.


Non-Cubs baseball related, this pretty much takes the cake.

But, you're right, this isn't worse than world hunger or racism.
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Postby Banedon » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:03 pm

apete6 wrote:
Banedon wrote:
apete6 wrote:
This is the freaking worst.


I can think of so many worse things.


Non-Cubs baseball related, this pretty much takes the cake.

But, you're right, this isn't worse than world hunger or racism.


I wasn't even going outside of baseball. I mean, it sucks for him, and certainly for Dodgers fans, but I can still think of way worse things within the game. The Pirates nearly had a way worse thing happen when Taillon got hit in the head the other night. It appears that all was ok, but a back injury hardly seems like "the worst".

And now I've way over-analyzed your throwaway comment. Yay internet.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:07 pm

I for one do not get particularly upset about other team's players getting hurt.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:11 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:I for one do not get particularly upset about other team's players getting hurt.

same. although I've had 2 lower back operations so I do sympathize with him on a personal level.
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