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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby philosophizer75 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:11 pm

I don't get upset really, but it's no good for the sport for the very best players to get injured. It's no good for anyone to be injured really.

Maybe dodgers shift towards selling if they know they aren't gonna have kershaw for the season?
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:13 pm

philosophizer75 wrote:I don't get upset really, but it's no good for the sport for the very best players to get injured. It's no good for anyone to be injured really.

Maybe dodgers shift towards selling if they know they aren't gonna have kershaw for the season?

No way should they be sellers, they are in the first WC spot and only 4.5 out of the division. Maybe they shouldn't go make a big trade "to go for it" but they shouldn't sell when a playoff spot is right there for them to have.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby philosophizer75 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:17 pm

Are the dodgers sans kershaw going to catch the giants and are they going to keep pace with the marlins, mets, cardinals, and pirates?

I'm not suggesting they should sell, I'm just speculating on whether they may shift gears a bit.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Post Count Padder » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:54 pm

Gets better for the Dodgers. Alex Wood out for the year.

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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby The Logan » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:54 pm

While Kershaw being healthy is great for baseball and being out hurts the sport, I for one am schadenfreuding the hell out of the Dodgers pitching woes considering they went into the season with like 72 starting pitchers on their roster and their official depth chart currently has them sitting at a 4-man rotation.
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Postby stitchface » Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:38 am

philosophizer75 wrote:Are the dodgers sans kershaw going to catch the giants and are they going to keep pace with the marlins, mets, cardinals, and pirates?

I'm not suggesting they should sell, I'm just speculating on whether they may shift gears a bit.



apparently they are . . .
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:11 am

Eovaldi has to have 2 surgeries on his arm, he's probably out until 2018.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby BigSlick » Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:28 pm

This year has been extremely illustrative for me on why drafting pitchers seems like a bad idea always

just let the rest of the league be your collective farm system
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

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Postby BigSlick » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:32 pm

lol i'm getting so much schadenfreude from the death of the mets
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:36 pm

Strasburg to DL with "elbow soreness." I wonder if throwing 70+ pitches in 1+ innings his last outing had anything to do with it?
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Postby Enn Tea » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:52 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Strasburg to DL with "elbow soreness." I wonder if throwing 70+ pitches in 1+ innings his last outing had anything to do with it?


I always worry about that when a pitcher gets to 36+ pitches in an inning. I worry about Hammel after his disaster inning yesterday. Wish we had a team policy that youre done after 35 in one inning. Who was it that we made throw 40 in one inning the other day? Itll be interesting to see if he starts to have arm problems.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Duke Silver » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:01 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Strasburg to DL with "elbow soreness." I wonder if throwing 70+ pitches in 1+ innings his last outing had anything to do with it?


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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:09 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:Strasburg to DL with "elbow soreness." I wonder if throwing 70+ pitches in 1+ innings his last outing had anything to do with it?


I always worry about that when a pitcher gets to 36+ pitches in an inning. I worry about Hammel after his disaster inning yesterday. Wish we had a team policy that youre done after 35 in one inning. Who was it that we made throw 40 in one inning the other day? Itll be interesting to see if he starts to have arm problems.


The Cubs have a 30 pitch/inning cap on their minor leaguers but it's just not as practical to enforce that in the big leagues.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:16 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:Strasburg to DL with "elbow soreness." I wonder if throwing 70+ pitches in 1+ innings his last outing had anything to do with it?


I always worry about that when a pitcher gets to 36+ pitches in an inning. I worry about Hammel after his disaster inning yesterday. Wish we had a team policy that youre done after 35 in one inning. Who was it that we made throw 40 in one inning the other day? Itll be interesting to see if he starts to have arm problems.


The Cubs have a 30 pitch/inning cap on their minor leaguers but it's just not as practical to enforce that in the big leagues.

That seems reasonable and logical on both accounts, but I don't think Joe would let Arrieta, Lester, etc. throw 70 pitches in 1.2 innings. Letting Strasburg do it with his history and money he's owed seems incredibly reckless.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:21 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
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I always worry about that when a pitcher gets to 36+ pitches in an inning. I worry about Hammel after his disaster inning yesterday. Wish we had a team policy that youre done after 35 in one inning. Who was it that we made throw 40 in one inning the other day? Itll be interesting to see if he starts to have arm problems.


The Cubs have a 30 pitch/inning cap on their minor leaguers but it's just not as practical to enforce that in the big leagues.

That seems reasonable and logical on both accounts, but I don't think Joe would let Arrieta, Lester, etc. throw 70 pitches in 1.2 innings. Letting Strasburg do it with his history and money he's owed seems incredibly reckless.


Agreed, especially considering the score of that game.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Duke Silver » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:32 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
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I always worry about that when a pitcher gets to 36+ pitches in an inning. I worry about Hammel after his disaster inning yesterday. Wish we had a team policy that youre done after 35 in one inning. Who was it that we made throw 40 in one inning the other day? Itll be interesting to see if he starts to have arm problems.


The Cubs have a 30 pitch/inning cap on their minor leaguers but it's just not as practical to enforce that in the big leagues.

That seems reasonable and logical on both accounts, but I don't think Joe would let Arrieta, Lester, etc. throw 70 pitches in 1.2 innings. Letting Strasburg do it with his history and money he's owed seems incredibly reckless.


I'm not so worried with throwing 35 in an inning. It's a worry, sure. But, I mean, we just don't know. It's better to be safe. But, I'm not too worried about it, depending on the situation. There are a lot of questions you need to ask in that situation. Is the guy healthy, or has he generally been healthy? Was it really high stress? Is it a close game that matters? Has he been pushed to his limits in the past? Has he been laboring at all in his prior starts?

This is where it becomes a problem with Strasburg. He checks about all those boxes. And not only did he throw 35 in an inning. He threw over 40. And then you run him out for 30 more, one inning later, already down 7, in Coors, with your division pretty much wrapped up, even though he's already been on the DL once this year and numerous times in his past, and despite him laboring through his last couple of starts already?
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:39 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
The Cubs have a 30 pitch/inning cap on their minor leaguers but it's just not as practical to enforce that in the big leagues.

That seems reasonable and logical on both accounts, but I don't think Joe would let Arrieta, Lester, etc. throw 70 pitches in 1.2 innings. Letting Strasburg do it with his history and money he's owed seems incredibly reckless.


Agreed, especially considering the score of that game.

Yeah that's the other thing, the game situation completely called for taking him out after 1 if not still in the first. They were down 7-0 after 1 I believe. Throw in all the factors Duke mentioned above and good god, Dusty is a moron.
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Duke Silver » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:04 pm

Also, and not to be too callous, but who really cares if Jason Hammel gets hurt? He's your aging fifth starter and you have an option on him at the end of the year. And, barring injury, he won't even be in your playoff rotation. I hate to be so ruthless, but let's face it, our concern level goes down when someone like Hammel is pitching. You just invested nearly $200 million in this dominant pitcher, who also happens to be one of the most fragile pitchers in baseball. How are you not being more careful with this asset? Why is a safe guard not in place?

That's what confused me the most last year with the whole Matt Harvey fiasco. How did it get to that point? Why wasn't a plan put in place before the season? Why didn't the two sides discuss these things beforehand?
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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:37 pm

Matz is going to the DL

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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby KrisBryantisaBeast » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:27 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Strasburg to DL with "elbow soreness." I wonder if throwing 70+ pitches in 1+ innings his last outing had anything to do with it?


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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:17 am

ANOTHER ONE, horsefeathers them all, I never want to give any really assets other than money for them

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Re: #NotAllPitchers

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:19 am

Seriously horsefeathers all these guys, trade Jake in the offseason before he dies and get value instead of paying him
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