2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

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Re: 2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:14 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:BP's Top 100 is out: https://www.baseballprospectus.com/pros ... y-jimenez/

Adbert Alzolay is the only Cub, coming in at 95.

Gleyber is 3, Eloy 6, Cease 47.


Here's what BP wrote on Alzolay in their top 100 list:

Alzolay has a starter’s delivery in a reliever’s body with a change-up that could push him to either role. Currently, the pitch is not playable to turn over MLB rotations, but he could right now get outs from a bullpen with his FB/SL combination, playing to higher end of velo band in short stints. The relative quietness of his delivery given his size, a result of plus athleticism and a strong lower half that stabilizes his delivery. I project change up and command improvement enough to keep Alzolay in an MLB rotation.
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Re: BA's Top 10 Cubs Prospects

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:04 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Cubs Top 10 Prospects
1. Aramis Ademan, SS
2. Adbert Alzolay, RHP
3. Jose Albertos, RHP
4. Victor Caratini, C
5. Alex Lange, RHP
6. Oscar De La Cruz, RHP
7. Brendon Little, LHP
8. Thomas Hatch, RHP
9. Jen-Ho Tseng, RHP
10. Nelson Velazquez, OF


I got my BA Prospect Handbook yesterday. Here is 11-31:

11. DJ Wilson, OF
12. David Bote, 2B/3B
13. Bryan Hudson, LHP
14. Keegan Thompson, RHP
15. Dillon Maples, RHP
16. Cory Abbott, RHP
17. Trevor Clifton, RHP
18. Justin Steele, LHP
19. Duane Underwood, RHP
20. Mark Zagunis, OF
21. Dakota Mekkes, RHP
22. Miguel Amaya, C
23. Javier Assad, RHP
24. Charcer Burks, OF
25. Jason Vosler, 3B
26. Michael Rucker, RHP
27. Erich Uelman, RHP
28. Alec Mills, RHP
29. Jonathan Sierra, OF
30. Jake Stinnett, RHP
31. Manuel Rondon, LHP

Most surprising omission for me is Jeremiah Estrada.
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Re: 2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

Postby Tim » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:23 pm

Does Rucker roll the ball to the plate or something?
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Re: BA's Top 10 Cubs Prospects

Postby Hrubes20 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:24 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Cubs Top 10 Prospects
1. Aramis Ademan, SS
2. Adbert Alzolay, RHP
3. Jose Albertos, RHP
4. Victor Caratini, C
5. Alex Lange, RHP
6. Oscar De La Cruz, RHP
7. Brendon Little, LHP
8. Thomas Hatch, RHP
9. Jen-Ho Tseng, RHP
10. Nelson Velazquez, OF


I got my BA Prospect Handbook yesterday. Here is 11-31:

11. DJ Wilson, OF
12. David Bote, 2B/3B
13. Bryan Hudson, LHP
14. Keegan Thompson, RHP
15. Dillon Maples, RHP
16. Cory Abbott, RHP
17. Trevor Clifton, RHP
18. Justin Steele, LHP
19. Duane Underwood, RHP
20. Mark Zagunis, OF
21. Dakota Mekkes, RHP
22. Miguel Amaya, C
23. Javier Assad, RHP
24. Charcer Burks, OF
25. Jason Vosler, 3B
26. Michael Rucker, RHP
27. Erich Uelman, RHP
28. Alec Mills, RHP
29. Jonathan Sierra, OF
30. Jake Stinnett, RHP
31. Manuel Rondon, LHP

Most surprising omission for me is Jeremiah Estrada.


BA has REALLY gone downhill.
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Re: 2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

Postby David » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:46 pm

I thought ademan was a pitcher for a long time
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Re: 2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:18 pm

David wrote:I thought ademan was a pitcher for a long time


I still get him mixed up with the other guy we also got in the supplemental first round in 2012.
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Re: 2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

Postby Regular Show » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:30 am

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
David wrote:I thought ademan was a pitcher for a long time


I still get him mixed up with the other guy we also got in the supplemental first round in 2012.


Paul Blackburn? What? That guy? :-k
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Re: 2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

Postby craig » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:33 pm

Tim wrote:Does Rucker roll the ball to the plate or something?


BA book lists him as a reliever, said he got up to 94-96 in relief, but was 90-93 in rotation. Doesn't scout any of his offspeed pitches as more than average if that. So, they basically view him as a guy with no good-stuff pitches in rotation, and just the fastball in relief. Basically a no-stuff command guy.

Doesn't seem that different a scouting report from what other media guys give.

BA may be right, and none of the other scouting writeups seems to like is stuff very well either.

Still, kind of a puzzle how he can be whiffing guys all the time without actually having any good pitches?

He averaged over a K-per-inning, so it would seem that even if none of his stuff seems particularly sharp, that somehow A-ball hitters still miss it a lot. Perhaps it's just a testament to the value of command; if you're getting ahead 1-2 on three guys per inning, and you throw so many fastball strikes that guys are expecting a strike, maybe you don't need anything sharp to still be getting some A-ballers to chase and whiff. Or, maybe there's something in the delivery that's deceptive, so guys can't easily distinguish a so-so curve from a fastball, and end up K-ing even thought the curve doesn't have much spin rate or anything?

It's just weird.
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Re: 2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

Postby squally1313 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:46 pm

Regular Show wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
David wrote:I thought ademan was a pitcher for a long time


I still get him mixed up with the other guy we also got in the supplemental first round in 2012.


Paul Blackburn? What? That guy? :-k


Fun fact, Zips has Paul Blackburn, yes, that guy, as being more valuable (1.2 WAR in 138 IP) than both the Brewers fourth (Gallardo, 0.7/122) and fifth (Guerra, 0.4/99) projected starters.

But yes, the rebuilding is over.
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Re: 2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

Postby Regular Show » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:46 am

squally1313 wrote:
Regular Show wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
I still get him mixed up with the other guy we also got in the supplemental first round in 2012.


Paul Blackburn? What? That guy? :-k


Fun fact, Zips has Paul Blackburn, yes, that guy, as being more valuable (1.2 WAR in 138 IP) than both the Brewers fourth (Gallardo, 0.7/122) and fifth (Guerra, 0.4/99) projected starters.

But yes, the rebuilding is over.


Lol, I'll take that bet. Blackburn was a pretty mediocre pitching prospect, and I doubt he improves at the big league level. I'm NOT high on this worn down version of Gallardo obviously, but I like Guerra. We're talking about Junior Guerra right? He was really good in 2016, and I'm not sure what happened to him last year. Seems like he was injured most of 2017, but IF he's healthy I would take him over Blackburn all day.
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Re: 2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

Postby squally1313 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:55 am

Regular Show wrote:
squally1313 wrote:
Regular Show wrote:
Paul Blackburn? What? That guy? :-k


Fun fact, Zips has Paul Blackburn, yes, that guy, as being more valuable (1.2 WAR in 138 IP) than both the Brewers fourth (Gallardo, 0.7/122) and fifth (Guerra, 0.4/99) projected starters.

But yes, the rebuilding is over.


Lol, I'll take that bet. Blackburn was a pretty mediocre pitching prospect, and I doubt he improves at the big league level. I'm NOT high on this worn down version of Gallardo obviously, but I like Guerra. We're talking about Junior Guerra right? He was really good in 2016, and I'm not sure what happened to him last year. Seems like he was injured most of 2017, but IF he's healthy I would take him over Blackburn all day.


Haha that was definitely meant more as a shot to the Brewers (and surprise at the Blackburn projections). But worth noting Blackburn put up a (seemingly lucky) 3.22 ERA in ten starts this year. Zips seems to like his control and GB rate, despite his horrid K rates.
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Re: 2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:56 am

fun fact: Junior Guerra is more than a year older than Yovani Gallardo
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Re: 2017 Post-Season Prospect Rankings (BA, Fangraphs, BP)

Postby Regular Show » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:01 am

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:fun fact: Junior Guerra is more than a year older than Yovani Gallardo


I know. I saw that. I think he's a late bloomer, like a really late bloomer. Gallardo is done being an effective starting pitcher. I don't think that's the case for Guerra. What injuries did he have last year?
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