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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2017-2018

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:58 pm



Doesn't look like he'll make it to 7/2/2018.
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Postby davell » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:10 pm

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Doesn't look like he'll make it to 7/2/2018.


I'm confused. Why? Is there some info on this guy I'm not seeing?

Or are you thinking of Julio Pablo Martinez, who I agree isn't likely to make it that long?
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2017-2018

Postby CubsWin » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:28 am

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CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Damn. Severino and Bae are the only ones I care about now.

Really was hoping for Rosario or Maitan to beef up the farm by the trade deadline.


Same here. I am hoping beyond hope we get the 15 year old, 96MPH guy at this point.

Severino and the Cuban OFer(Martinez) seem likely to wind up with the Yankees. They were mentioned today with them.

I'd take a flyer on Contreras. But using 17-18 money.

I'd like Bae. But, I'm not positive he's in the same position as the rest of these guys. His contract was voided. He may not be a guy we can give the extra 200k to. Not sure if we can use 18-19 money on him yet.


That's disappointing on Severino and Martinez. The Yankees also were linked to two top 20 prospects from the 2017-18 class they had slow played in case they needed funds for Ohtani.

Do you know who those two are? According to MLB.com, SS Ronny Rojas (11th overall) is the only IFA prospect listed with the Yankees being the favorite. (Not doubting your recollection just wondering who it is.)

Of the 6 remaining unsigned top 30 IFAs, only one is reported to be linked to another team. SS Jelfry Marte (3rd overall - released by the Twins because of vision problems) OF Raimfer Salinas (6th overall), C Antonio Cabello (8th overall), SS Osleivis Basabe (24th overall), OF Wildred Patino (25th overall) and Stir Candelario (29th overall linked to the Mariners) are all listed as unsigned by MLB.com.

Obviously, unless some of them choose to wait until the next signing period, the Cubs are out on these guys. And with teams like the Mariners and Angels trading for 2017-18 IFA money (and other teams with money still left to spend), one or both of them (if they don't get Ohtani) will have funds to potentially sign some of them.

EDIT - I guess the Cubs could be in on Marte. I think he was declared a free agent. It all depends on the severity of his vision issues.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2017-2018

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:17 am

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CaliforniaRaisin wrote:

Doesn't look like he'll make it to 7/2/2018.


I'm confused. Why? Is there some info on this guy I'm not seeing?

Or are you thinking of Julio Pablo Martinez, who I agree isn't likely to make it that long?


Oh whoops. I confused two 21-year old outfielders with a last name of Martinez.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:25 am

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Same here. I am hoping beyond hope we get the 15 year old, 96MPH guy at this point.

Severino and the Cuban OFer(Martinez) seem likely to wind up with the Yankees. They were mentioned today with them.

I'd take a flyer on Contreras. But using 17-18 money.

I'd like Bae. But, I'm not positive he's in the same position as the rest of these guys. His contract was voided. He may not be a guy we can give the extra 200k to. Not sure if we can use 18-19 money on him yet.


That's disappointing on Severino and Martinez. The Yankees also were linked to two top 20 prospects from the 2017-18 class they had slow played in case they needed funds for Ohtani.

Do you know who those two are? According to MLB.com, SS Ronny Rojas (11th overall) is the only IFA prospect listed with the Yankees being the favorite. (Not doubting your recollection just wondering who it is.)

Of the 6 remaining unsigned top 30 IFAs, only one is reported to be linked to another team. SS Jelfry Marte (3rd overall - released by the Twins because of vision problems) OF Raimfer Salinas (6th overall), C Antonio Cabello (8th overall), SS Osleivis Basabe (24th overall), OF Wildred Patino (25th overall) and Stir Candelario (29th overall linked to the Mariners) are all listed as unsigned by MLB.com.

Obviously, unless some of them choose to wait until the next signing period, the Cubs are out on these guys. And with teams like the Mariners and Angels trading for 2017-18 IFA money (and other teams with money still left to spend), one or both of them (if they don't get Ohtani) will have funds to potentially sign some of them.

EDIT - I guess the Cubs could be in on Marte. I think he was declared a free agent. It all depends on the severity of his vision issues.


They've been linked to Salinas and Cabello, though they were considered wild cards even at the start of the signing period. Actually, they're also linked to Basabe but BA has him ranked 48.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2017-2018

Postby CubsWin » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:07 am

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CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
That's disappointing on Severino and Martinez. The Yankees also were linked to two top 20 prospects from the 2017-18 class they had slow played in case they needed funds for Ohtani.

Do you know who those two are? According to MLB.com, SS Ronny Rojas (11th overall) is the only IFA prospect listed with the Yankees being the favorite. (Not doubting your recollection just wondering who it is.)

Of the 6 remaining unsigned top 30 IFAs, only one is reported to be linked to another team. SS Jelfry Marte (3rd overall - released by the Twins because of vision problems) OF Raimfer Salinas (6th overall), C Antonio Cabello (8th overall), SS Osleivis Basabe (24th overall), OF Wildred Patino (25th overall) and Stir Candelario (29th overall linked to the Mariners) are all listed as unsigned by MLB.com.

Obviously, unless some of them choose to wait until the next signing period, the Cubs are out on these guys. And with teams like the Mariners and Angels trading for 2017-18 IFA money (and other teams with money still left to spend), one or both of them (if they don't get Ohtani) will have funds to potentially sign some of them.

EDIT - I guess the Cubs could be in on Marte. I think he was declared a free agent. It all depends on the severity of his vision issues.


They've been linked to Salinas and Cabello, though they were considered wild cards even at the start of the signing period. Actually, they're also linked to Basabe but BA has him ranked 48.

Thanks, Raisin.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2017-2018

Postby davell » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:37 pm

Severino gets 2.5M from the Twins. More than Maitan got. And really putting the Yanks and Mariners on Martinez and Marte.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2017-2018

Postby CubsWin » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:45 pm

davell wrote:Severino gets 2.5M from the Twins. More than Maitan got. And really putting the Yanks and Mariners on Martinez and Marte.

That makes sense for the Twins given they couldn't resign Marte without putting him on their 40-man. Take part of the Marte money and get Severino.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2017-2018

Postby CubsWin » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:28 pm

I wonder if, given the extreme restrictions the Braves face over the next 3 years in signing IFAs, they would value players like Jonathan Sierra, Yonathan Perlaza, Brailyn Marquez, Yovanny Cruz, Fernando Kelli, Luis Diaz, Luis Verdugo, etc. as sweeteners in a larger trade for pitching than other teams would?

Say a trade from surplus (for both teams) like major league ready offense (Happ and Caratini) plus someone like David Bote (or whomever) and three IFAs for Julio Teheran (coming off a down year with 20 million still owed), one of their younger pitching prospects (Wright, Soroka, Anderson, or Wentz) and AJ MInter (a lefty reliever with a good FB and control with minor league options left - 20th ranked prospect per MLB) who could ride the Iowa shuttle and provide relief depth.

That would leave the Braves with Newcomb (25) Foltynewicz (26), Fried (24), Gohara (21) and Sims (24) as starters with major league experience along with Allard and 3 other remaining top notch starting prospects (out of Wright, Soroka, Anderson and Wentz). They have two catchers over 30 in Tyler Flowers (32) and Kurt Suzuki (34) under contract thru this year only with Caratini waiting in the wings. Happ would replace Markakis (34) who could easily be traded with one year at 11 million left on his contract.

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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2017-2018

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:08 am

https://amp.mlb.com/263154584-ohtani-si ... ssion=true

Juan Pablo Martinez had a showcase Friday. The Rangers and Yankees with their big 2017-18 pools had a big presence there. Also working out today were 16-year old Cuban 3B/OF Malcolm Nuñez and 19-year old 3B/OF Oscar Luis Marten Nuñez.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:06 am

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
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CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
That's disappointing on Severino and Martinez. The Yankees also were linked to two top 20 prospects from the 2017-18 class they had slow played in case they needed funds for Ohtani.

Do you know who those two are? According to MLB.com, SS Ronny Rojas (11th overall) is the only IFA prospect listed with the Yankees being the favorite. (Not doubting your recollection just wondering who it is.)

Of the 6 remaining unsigned top 30 IFAs, only one is reported to be linked to another team. SS Jelfry Marte (3rd overall - released by the Twins because of vision problems) OF Raimfer Salinas (6th overall), C Antonio Cabello (8th overall), SS Osleivis Basabe (24th overall), OF Wildred Patino (25th overall) and Stir Candelario (29th overall linked to the Mariners) are all listed as unsigned by MLB.com.

Obviously, unless some of them choose to wait until the next signing period, the Cubs are out on these guys. And with teams like the Mariners and Angels trading for 2017-18 IFA money (and other teams with money still left to spend), one or both of them (if they don't get Ohtani) will have funds to potentially sign some of them.

EDIT - I guess the Cubs could be in on Marte. I think he was declared a free agent. It all depends on the severity of his vision issues.


They've been linked to Salinas and Cabello, though they were considered wild cards even at the start of the signing period. Actually, they're also linked to Basabe but BA has him ranked 48.


The Yankees signed Salinas and Cabello today with all that leftover Ohtani money:



Osleivis Basabe signed with the Rangers today.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:54 pm

According to Arizona Phil, the Cubs have signed 4 more international free agents in December: http://www.thecubreporter.com/12152017/ ... an-catcher

P Moises Diaz (age 16)
P Francisco Fermin (19)
P Luis Ramos (19)
C Brayan Mancilla (18)
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:44 pm

Badler says the Yankees, Marlins and Rangers are the favorite for Cuban 21-year old CF Julio Pablo Martinez. Of those three teams, the Rangers have the most cap space. He hasn't been cleared yet as a free agent.
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Postby weis21 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:51 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:

missed opportunity imo based solely on how many "bae" references he could have had. MLB twitter accounts would have feasted on it.

*bae hits homer clip*

MLB twitter acct: bae is looking hot tonight
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:28 pm

The Cubs have made four February signings, per Arizona Phil: http://www.thecubreporter.com/02162018/ ... an-catcher

Among the signings is 21-year old (turns 22 next month) RHSP Raidel Orta. He reportedly received a $10,000 signing bonus.

A veteran of Serie Nacional (the Cuban major league), Orta defected from Cuba two years ago and hasn't pitched competitively since, but he was rated Cuba's #20 prospect by Francys Romero (oncuba.com) going into the 2015-16 season.


The Cubs have signed 17-year old Cuban OF-3B Kevin Moreno to a minor league contract and he has been assigned to the AZL Cubs. Moreno says Kris Bryant is his favorite player, and the Cubs are his father's favorite MLB team.

Moreno was not selected to play on the Federacion Cubana de Beisbol 16U or 18U Junior National teams and he has not played in Serie Nacional (the Cuban major league), either, so not much is known about him.

Unlike other Cubans signed by MLB clubs over the years, Moreno is - NOT - a defector. He will be coming to the U. S. on an H2B work visa (just like other international players who reside in foreign countries). But because the U. S. embassy in Havana stopped processing visas last summer, Cubans who wish to obtain a travel or work visa to the U. S. must apply in person at the U. S. embassy in Bogata, Colombia.

So just like their foray into Mexico over the past three or four years has produced some of the best young talent in their system, once again it appears the Cubs are ahead of the curve as far as "working the system" by scouting and signing younger Cubans who are not defectors before they become well-known from playing in international tournaments or in Serie Nacional. (At 17 years and eight months of age, Moreno is the second-youngest Cuban player ever signed by an MLB organization -- LHP Adrian Morejon signed with the San Diego Padres in 2016 when he was 17 years and five months old).


Two other February signings are 17-year old outfielder Josue Fernandez and 19-year old pitcher Johan Lopez.
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BA just ranked him #60 in their top 100 overall prospects.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:27 pm

Per Arizona Phil:

3/24 UPDATE:

The Cubs have signed three more International Free-Agents (IFA):

LHP Jesus Gomez
RHP Andy Hernandez
INF Juan Mora
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:27 pm

Ben Badler's Cubs 2017-18 review: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... cubs-2017/

Florencio Serrano, RHP, Mexico (age 18) - $1.2 million bonus
Luis Verdugo, SS, Mexico (age 17) - $1.2 million
Reivaj Garcia, SS, Mexico (age 16) - $500,000
Saul Vazquez, LHP, Mexico (age 17) - $450,000
Manuel Espinoza, RHP, Mexico (age 17) - $400,000
Fabian Pertuz, SS, Colombia (age 17) - $300,000
Alexander Ovalles, OF, Dominican Republic (age 17) - $300,000
Alexander Guerra, C, Cuba (age 21) - $300,000
Brailin Peña, OF, Dominican Republic (age 16) - $225,000
Nestor Heredia, SS, Venezuela (age 17) - $200,000
Widimer Joaquin, 3B (age 17) - $200,000
Jorge Remon, RHP, Panama (age 17) - $180,000
Orlando Zapata, MIF/CF, Venezuela - $160,000
Misael Garcia, LHP, Dominican Republic (age 16) - $150,000
Jonathan Rodriguez, OF, Dominican Republic (age 17) - $150,000
Willy Cabrera, RHP, Dominican Republic (age 17) - $125,000
Carlos Morfa, OF, Dominican Republic (age 17) - $125,000
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Postby Hrubes20 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:39 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Ben Badler's Cubs 2017-18 review: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... cubs-2017/

Florencio Serrano, RHP, Mexico (age 18) - $1.2 million bonus
Luis Verdugo, SS, Mexico (age 17) - $1.2 million
Reivaj Garcia, SS, Mexico (age 16) - $500,000
Saul Vazquez, LHP, Mexico (age 17) - $450,000
Manuel Espinoza, RHP, Mexico (age 17) - $400,000
Fabian Pertuz, SS, Colombia (age 17) - $300,000
Alexander Ovalles, OF, Dominican Republic (age 17) - $300,000
Alexander Guerra, C, Cuba (age 21) - $300,000
Brailin Peña, OF, Dominican Republic (age 16) - $225,000
Nestor Heredia, SS, Venezuela (age 17) - $200,000
Widimer Joaquin, 3B (age 17) - $200,000
Jorge Remon, RHP, Panama (age 17) - $180,000
Orlando Zapata, MIF/CF, Venezuela - $160,000
Misael Garcia, LHP, Dominican Republic (age 16) - $150,000
Jonathan Rodriguez, OF, Dominican Republic (age 17) - $150,000
Willy Cabrera, RHP, Dominican Republic (age 17) - $125,000
Carlos Morfa, OF, Dominican Republic (age 17) - $125,000


That was a good read. I like what Badler had to say about both Pertuz and Ovalles. The Verdugo section did not sound great about his bat.
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Postby davell » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:33 pm

What's awesome is they found a way to spend 5.975 mill when their budget was under 5 mill. Not even including sub 100k guys.....

The lefty pitcher, Garcia, has some interesting notes.
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:41 pm

For some reason this bit on Misael Garcia cracked me up, I think it's how it underscores the absurdity of scouting 16 year olds:

Leading up to July 2, Garcia was 6 feet, 170 pounds and was throwing in the mid-to-upper 80s. He’s grown taller and added strength (6-foot-2, 195 pounds) and now has touched 92 mph.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:02 am

Hot takes a'comin...:

One of the next 3 homegrown players to land a multi-year high workload gig with the Cubs will be from Mexico. I've been saying that since the Paredes/Albertos/Carrera crop but it helps that they keep adding players from there. I am not sure why I'm rooting for that one, part I like the country and part looking at the Cubs' long term as a leader in international scouting and development (which they should have been for a while but w/e, water under the bridge). They've also spent alot more time in Panama, Venezuela, and Colombia under this FO.

Between Albertos, Serrano, Estrada, the Gallardo rumor among 2018 IFAs, and other ~6' RHs pitchers brought in the Cubs are clearly looking for their Berrios/Martinez type. A couple years ago I was on this site going on about height, now I think the first homegrown SP is either Lange or a "short" guy, POSSIBLY even both. As it turns out height falls behind things like mass and even hand size or finger length, let alone athleticism and strength.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2017-2018

Postby CubsWin » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:14 pm

Yet one more IFA signing before the new period begins...

AZ Phil wrote:The Cubs have signed 18-year old Dominican INF Flemin Bautista.

So the Cubs have signed 37 IFA so far in the 2017-18 International Signing Period (ISP), including 16 from the Dominican Republic, nine from Mexico, five from Venezuela, three from Cuba, one from Colombia, and one from Panama.

Seven of the 37 (R. Garcia, Guerra, Mora, K. Moreno, Orta, Pertuz, and Verdugo) are presently at Cubs Extended Spring Training in Mesa (Pertuz and Verdugo also attended post-2017 AZ Instructs in Mesa), while the other 30 will be having Spring Training at the Cubs Dominican Academy in Boca Chica next month before making their pro debut in the DSL. (The seven 2017-18 IFA at Cubs EXST in Mesa are competing for jobs at Eugene or with one of the two AZL Cubs teams, but it's just as possible that one or more of the seven could be sent to the DSL if the Cubs believe the player is not yet ready for more-advanced competition in the U. S.).

To clarify the ones that are currently in Mesa, that list reads:

Luis Verdugo, SS, Mexico (age 17) - $1.2 million
Reivaj Garcia, SS, Mexico (age 16) - $500,000
Fabian Pertuz, SS, Colombia (age 17) - $300,000
Alexander Guerra, C, Cuba (age 21) - $300,000
Raidel Orta, RHSP, (age 22) - $10,000
Kevin Moreno, OF-3B, (age 17) - No bonus info
Juan Mora, IF, (age 18) - No bonus info
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