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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:39 pm

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TomtheBombadil wrote:I wouldn’t completely eliminate them trading pool money either. They’re at a point where maybe spending on IFAs that aren’t ML ready is less valuable to them than say a team like say, randomly picked out of a hat, the Rays or Jays.

I have no idea what the 2018-2019 IFA period has lined up. That said Cuba’s lost many big names and after Otani the next most exciting player from Japan is a 2B who will not fall under IFA restrictions if he left the NPB.


Has Shintaro Fujinami gone the way of Yuki Saito, the guy that was supposed to be a rival to Tanaka for years?


Way better prospect in pretty much every way but he’s not coming under IFA restrictions either. There’s a 27 YO 2B that’s been posting some monster numbers including going 30/30 IIRC a couple times.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby davell » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:25 pm

Longenhagen says Fujinami is a reliever, when and if he comes over. Kikuchi is the best pitching prospect over there, after Ohtani, at this point.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:23 am

Longenhagen schmongenhagen, see that in 5 years
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby davell » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:47 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:Longenhagen schmongenhagen, see that in 5 years



I guess we'll see. But, Fujinami walked 6.9/9 this year, his K's dropped to 6.3/9 for 9.4/9 and he was even sent down to their minors this year at some point. Definite step backwards from a guy that wasn't known for having control or command to begin with. Not doubting he's got talent, but its far from a hot take to think he's better off coming out of the pen either. Again, we'll see. I think Longenhagen is about as good as we've got left to go from, so I'll continue to listen to what he says.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby davell » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:15 pm



This is really getting fun.
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Seriously, what the horsefeathers did they do that's worse than the federal crime the Cards committed?
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby davell » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:28 pm



Boom. You're allowed to dip into your 2017-2018 budget to sign these guys, if you want.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:44 pm

I had been posting a bunch in the Braves thread. Whoops.

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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby davell » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:19 pm

There's still plenty of unanswered questions in my mind, in regards to how to acquire these players....We can dip into our 2018-2019 budget and/or use what we've got left over currently......I wonder if you can mix and match? Use 300k from the 2017-2018 budget(since that's still our max and I'm unsure how much we even have as a total) and then use the rest off your 2018-2019 budget?

Just trying to find a way to give us the biggest impact we can get out of this......I know Maitan showed up fat, but he's a year removed from being compared to Miggy. I'd love to take a gamble on him. Even if its a multi million dollar gamble at this stage. Gutierrez has some nice upside. Contreras and Rosario are both very projectable arms......

At any rate, add some of these guys now. Then trade back for more pool money to still get an impact class next year too.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:45 pm

The players will have restrictions on their free agency. They will be eligible to sign with another club for another signing bonus beginning on Dec. 5 up until Jan. 15. After Jan. 15, the player is still allowed to sign but cannot receive an additional signing bonus. Only the amount of the signing bonus beyond $200,000 will count toward a team’s signing bonus pool. Players are allowed to re-sign with the Braves, but if they choose to do so, they must wait until May 1 to sign with them and can’t receive an additional signing bonus.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:48 pm

BA ranked the top 8 ex-Brave free agents:

1. Kevin Maitan, SS
2. Yunior Severino, 2B
3. Livan Soto, SS
4. Yefri Del Rosario, RHP
5. Ji-Hwan Bae, SS
6. Abrahan Gutierrez, C
7. Juan Contreras, RHP
8. Yenci Peña, SS

The blurbs for Contreras (10 BB/9 in GCL) and Peña (.655 OPS in the DSL) did not look that great.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby davell » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:58 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
The players will have restrictions on their free agency. They will be eligible to sign with another club for another signing bonus beginning on Dec. 5 up until Jan. 15. After Jan. 15, the player is still allowed to sign but cannot receive an additional signing bonus. Only the amount of the signing bonus beyond $200,000 will count toward a team’s signing bonus pool. Players are allowed to re-sign with the Braves, but if they choose to do so, they must wait until May 1 to sign with them and can’t receive an additional signing bonus.
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I'm really hopeful we've kept our money free. No idea if we've spent big in Venezuela, Colombia, Mexico or wherever, but it definitely seems we've not done it in the DR.....

This seems like more recruiting than normal. We've got multiple looks at these guys in game action at this point. May take less for them to sign now? No idea. But, it seems very possible to me, since they've already received a bonus and there's a finite amount of money to be spent on the entirety of the class by MLB and in reality, most of that money has been committed already.

I'd love to get Maitan. Gutierrez would be my second choice, then the two pitchers, Rosario and Contreras. It'd be ridiculously nice if we could fit ANY (not thinking those 4)of the released prospects into our 2017-2018 poolfor 300,000 or under.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:16 pm

Maitan was a top 10 prospect in the Braves organization, Severino, Soto, Del Rosario would rank in the 20-30 range. Gutierrez could have cracked the very back of the 30 as well. Contreras wouldn't have missed by too much.


Maitan would be the Cubs top prospect. I'd guess the rest in that quote would at least be top 20 prospects, Severino possibly in the top 10.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby CubsWin » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:18 pm

Wow. This off-season just got a lot more interesting. With the deadlines to sign before January 15th in order to get a signing bonus on top of what the Braves gave you, it looks like we won't have to wait too long before we find out if the Cubs get any of these guys.

I wonder if having only the money beyond the first $200,000 counting against the team's IFA bonus pool means the Cubs (who are still restricted to spending $300,000 or less on any given player until July 2nd) can spend up to $500,000 on these guys?
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:22 pm

CubsWin wrote:Wow. This off-season just got a lot more interesting. With the deadlines to sign before January 15th in order to get a signing bonus on top of what the Braves gave you, it looks like we won't have to wait too long before we find out if the Cubs get any of these guys.

I wonder if having only the money beyond the first $200,000 counting against the team's IFA bonus pool means the Cubs (who are still restricted to spending $300,000 or less on any given player until July 2nd) can spend up to $500,000 on these guys?


The Cubs can choose to use their 2018-19 allotment on any of these players. They don't have to be limited to the $300k in 2016-17.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby CubsWin » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:41 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
CubsWin wrote:Wow. This off-season just got a lot more interesting. With the deadlines to sign before January 15th in order to get a signing bonus on top of what the Braves gave you, it looks like we won't have to wait too long before we find out if the Cubs get any of these guys.

I wonder if having only the money beyond the first $200,000 counting against the team's IFA bonus pool means the Cubs (who are still restricted to spending $300,000 or less on any given player until July 2nd) can spend up to $500,000 on these guys?


The Cubs can choose to use their 2018-19 allotment on any of these players. They don't have to be limited to the $300k in 2016-17.

Cool! I read it as they can dip into their 2018-19 pool money but that their restrictions would still be in place until July 2nd. But you're saying that with these specific players released from the Braves, their current restrictions don't apply, is that accurate?
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby davell » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:56 pm

CubsWin wrote:
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
CubsWin wrote:Wow. This off-season just got a lot more interesting. With the deadlines to sign before January 15th in order to get a signing bonus on top of what the Braves gave you, it looks like we won't have to wait too long before we find out if the Cubs get any of these guys.

I wonder if having only the money beyond the first $200,000 counting against the team's IFA bonus pool means the Cubs (who are still restricted to spending $300,000 or less on any given player until July 2nd) can spend up to $500,000 on these guys?


The Cubs can choose to use their 2018-19 allotment on any of these players. They don't have to be limited to the $300k in 2016-17.

Cool! I read it as they can dip into their 2018-19 pool money but that their restrictions would still be in place until July 2nd. But you're saying that with these specific players released from the Braves, their current restrictions don't apply, is that accurate?


Yeah, from everything that's out there, if we wanted to drop 3 mill on Maitan, we can do it.
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:07 pm

davell wrote:
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CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
The Cubs can choose to use their 2018-19 allotment on any of these players. They don't have to be limited to the $300k in 2016-17.

Cool! I read it as they can dip into their 2018-19 pool money but that their restrictions would still be in place until July 2nd. But you're saying that with these specific players released from the Braves, their current restrictions don't apply, is that accurate?


Yeah, from everything that's out there, if we wanted to drop 3 mill on Maitan, we can do it.

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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:03 am

Isn’t Maitan fat now?
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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:22 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:Isn’t Maitan fat now?

For a 17/18 year old he's certainly bigger and filled out but I wouldn't say he's fat. He's kinda built like Starlin in that he certainly looks like he could lose 10-15 lbs and isn't in the greatest shape/ripped but isn't overweight, imo, from a quick google image search (and they are in game/BP/fielding practice in Braves gear so I assume they are only maybe 10 months old at most and probably more like 4-6 months).
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Re: International Free Agency Thread 2018-2019

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:52 am

Longenhagen with present-day scouting reports on the ex-Braves: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-bra ... its-harsh/

He suggests Yefri del Rosario (RHP) might be the most sought-after of the talents and Maitan is now viewed more as a talented reclamation project.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:32 pm

According to BA, 2B Yunior Severino was the 16th ranked prospect in the GCL this year and RHP Yefri del Rosario was 17th. Kevin Maitan was #1 in the Appalachian League top 20.
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Postby Hrubes20 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:34 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:According to BA, 2B Yunior Severino was the 16th ranked prospect in the GCL this year and RHP Yefri del Rosario was 17th. Kevin Maitan was #1 in the Appalachian League top 20.


BA seems to be the one that has Maitan the highest ranked still. I'm not sure if I've seen a recent report from anybody else that would put Maitan in their top 100. I could see the Cubs still being interested though, if they bought the bat. We all know a bad body didn't stop them from falling in love with Schwarber.
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