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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:16 am

Box Scores:

Iowa (game one) lost game one 4-2 (7 innings) Box Score

RF M. Zagunis 1/2, RBI, 2 BB
CF J. Hannemann 0/4, 4 K, outfield assist at third base
1B V. Caratini 1/3, BB, K
3B D. Bote 0/3, BB, 2 K
C T. Davis 0/2, BB; defense: 0/3 CS
SP A. Mills 6 IP, 9 H, 4 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 1 HBP, 1-6 GO-FO, 100-78 pitches-strikes
RP S. Simmons 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K, 1-0 GO-FO

Iowa lost game two 2-0 (7 innings) Box Score

LF L. Adams 0/3, K
2B C. Donahue 0/3, K
C V. Caratini 0/2, BB, K; defense: PB (3), 0/1 CS
SS D. Bote 0/3, 2 K
CF J. Hannemann 0/3, K
PH M. Zagunis 1/1
SP D. Torrez 4.2 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 4-2 GO-FO, 80-55 pitches-strikes
RP D. Maples 1 IP, 0 H, 1 BB, 2 K, 0-0 GO-FO

Tennessee lost 14-4 Box Score

CF C. Burks 2/4, 2 R, BB, SB (6)
SS Z. Short 2/4, R, HR (8), 2 RBI, K, HBP, CS (7)
3B J. Vosler 2/4, RBI, BB, K
DH I. Rice 0/3, 2 BB, K
RF E. Martínez 1/4, K
C W. Remillard 2/4, R, 2B (1), K; defense: 0/1 CS
SP K. Thompson 3 IP, 9 H, 8 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 HBP, 2 HR, 3-3 GO-FO, 70-43 pitches-strikes
RP J. Stinnett 2 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 1 WP, 2-1 GO-FO

Myrtle Beach lost game one 7-2 (7 innings) Box Score

CF DJ Wilson 0/3, R< BB, E (1, fielding)
SS A. Ademan 2/4, R, 2B (5), RBI
C J. Pereda 0/3
3B W. Galindo 1/3, RBI, K
DH PJ Higgins 1/3
2B A. Monasterio 2/2, BB
1B A. Upshaw 0/3, K
SP C. Abbott 3 IP, 6 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 2 WP, 4-1 GO-FO, 76-48 pitches-strikes

Myrtle Beach (game two) PPD - Rain

South Bend 5-2 Box Score

SS J. Bethencourt 1/2, E (21, throw)
SS-3B A. Filiere 3/3, R, 2B (14)
1B J. Young 1/3, R, 2 RBI, BB, K
DH M. Amaya 0/4, K, HBP
RF B. Hughes 2/3, R, RBI, BB, SB (19)
CF C. Singleton 0/4
SP R. Lacy 5 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 6 K, 1 WP, 4-4 GO-FO, 65-47 pitches-strikes
RP M. Rondón 1 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 WP, 1-0 GO-FO

Eugene lost 9-4 Box Score

CF F. Kelli 1/3, R, outfield assist at third base
3B C. Morel 2/4, R, 2B (1), 2 RBI, K, CS (1), E (1, fielding)
DH J. Sierra 0/2, 2 BB, K
RF N. Velázquez 0/3, BB, K
C J. Soto 0/3, BB, K, CS (1)
2B L. Díaz 0/3, R, BB, 2 K
LF-CF KM Kwon 1/3, R, 2B (1), BB, SB (2)
SS L. Vázquez 0/3, K, HBP, E (1, fielding)
SP R. Williams 2.2 IP, 7 H, 7 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 2-2 GO-FO, 59-41 pitches-strikes
RP E. Palma 1.1 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, 1-1 GO-FO, 43-22 pitches-strikes
RP S. Ridings 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K, 3 K, 3-0 GO-FO

AZL Cubs 1 lost 6-5 Box Score

2B C. Daniel 1/4, R, BB, SB (1), CS (1)
LF C. Coghlan 1/4, R, 2B (1), K
DH Y. Cuevas 1/3, R, RBI, BB, K
C A. Guerra 1/3, 2B (1), RBI, BB
SS J. Huma 1/3, R, BB, CS (1)
CF J. Gutierrez 1/3, R, 2 RBI, outfield assist at third base
3B O. Nuñez 1/3, 2 RBI, K, HBP
SP D. Vargas 7 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 4 BB, 1 K, 7-2 GO-FO

AZL Cubs 2 lost 7-5 Box Score

CF DJ Artis 0/0, HBP - left game after HBP
2B R. Garcia 0/5, 2 K, E (1, throw)
SS L. Verdugo 1/4, BB, 2 K
C Hen. Perez 1/5, 2 K
RF D. Wharton 3/5, 2 R, 2 RBI
LF A. Gaitan 2/4, 2 outfield assists at third base, first base
SP A. Colorado 2.2 IP, 6 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 WP, 2-2 GO-FO
RP E. Herrera 4.1 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 1 HBP, 4-2 GO-FO

DSL Cubs 1 lost 2-0 (Completed Early - Rain, 5.5 innings) Box Score

CF R. Verenzuela 1/3, 2B (3), K
3B R. Cruz 0/3
1B E. Marchan 1/2, SB (4)
SS O. Piña 1/2
SP S. Vázquez 5 IP, 8 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, 1 WP, 7-2 GO-FO

DSL Cubs 2 suspended in the 5th inning Box Score
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:26 pm

Aramis Ademan with a first inning RBI double.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:59 am

Ryan Williams is starting for Eugene rather than Marquez
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:16 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:Ryan Williams is starting for Eugene rather than Marquez


Eugene now has him going tomorrow so he's not hurt. It was Williams-Marquez last time too.
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Postby Hrubes20 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:39 am

D.J. Artis got HBP and immediately left the game. Here’s hoping it’s precautionary.
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Postby CubsWin » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:59 am

Wow, what a horsefeathery last few days for the Cubs organization, major league on down.

https://youtu.be/hd1ciPnTGKg
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:14 am

Strong night from Didier Vargas with 8 Ks, no HRs, 5 IP, and just 4 hits allowed. I thought he was done after 3 but am glad he was allowed to get more innings.

Ovalles picked up another hit and played more CF in the DSL. Christopher Morel's put together back to back games offensively. Hopefully these guys believe in themselves.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:33 am

Didier Vargas is up to 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 4 BB, 11 K.

Can't wait till they update the box score tomorrow and we find out it took 3 pitchers to get through those 7 innings.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:35 am

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Didier Vargas is up to 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 4 BB, 11 K.

Can't wait till they update the box score tomorrow and we find out it took 3 pitchers to get through those 7 innings.


It's funny because it's true. It's hard to imagine a team letting anyone throw 7 in the AZL.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:26 am

Kwang-Min Kwon playing some CF tonight for the Emeralds with a double and a walk in 3 PAs. He's K'd once so far this season. Luis Vazquez seems whelmed by this level offensively.

Jose Gutierrez is repeating the AZL and is doing really well early on. Long run he might be a better prospect than Kelli as there's more power potential, better defense, and he might actually switch hit.

Oh and a good day from Zack Short
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:40 am

7 walks and 3 strikeouts in 30 PA is a nice start for Jonathan Sierra. He has a 29% strikeout rate last year in the AZL.
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Postby CubsWin » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:39 am

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:7 walks and 3 strikeouts in 30 PA is a nice start for Jonathan Sierra. He has a 29% strikeout rate last year in the AZL.

Yeah, his start is most intriguing. The newfound selectivity at the plate (and the fact that it's been paired with good production) is quite the nice development. On a side note, in the games that I've watched, he's looked pretty rough in RF defensively (balls bouncing off his glove that he should've caught easily, bad reads/routes). Of course, he's got plenty of time to improve.
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Postby CubsWin » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:04 am

Kwang-Min Kwon has been showing the daring and baseball instincts that are usually only associated with Javy Baez lately. He's 6'2", 210 lbs., and when he was signed was thought of as a power-hitting 1B/OF. I don't know what's gotten into him but a couple of games ago, he was dancing off of first like Jackie Robinson daring the pitcher to throw over which he did several times with Kwon just getting back to the bag each time. He eventually stole 2B.

In this game, he hit a liner into shallow center. The CFer trapped the ball (according to the ump) and while he was holding up his glove to say he made the catch, Kwon, who never slowed down after rounding 1B, slid into 2B narrowly avoiding the tag. A batter later, he took off for 3B while the pitcher still had the ball on the mound. He got about half way there before the pitcher realized it. He threw to the thirdbaseman who wasn't at the bag yet and Kwon slid in safely.

I don't know if this is the "Cubs Way" or not, but he sure looks like he's having fun...
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Postby CubsWin » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:17 am

Fernando Kelli is fast. We all know that. How fast? He hit a solid 3 bouncer to short and easily beat the throw to first. In retrospect, the SS should've charged the ball instead of waiting back knowing who was running, but it wasn't a slow dribbler. It was solidly struck. Any other runner and the SS gets him rather routinely.
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Postby Hrubes20 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:36 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Didier Vargas is up to 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 4 BB, 11 K.

Can't wait till they update the box score tomorrow and we find out it took 3 pitchers to get through those 7 innings.


So far so good, in regards to the AZL box score magic.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:48 pm

https://bitacoradeportiva.com/2016/07/d ... -los-cubs/

In this interview the Cubs' rep that signed Didier Vargas, Cirilo Cumberbatch, says the Cubs hope he can push 95-96 eventually. Vargas says he's 91-92 with a 12-6 curveball. Seems like there's some upside potential ceiling to develop. He's allowed just 58 hits in 74.1 pro innings at the rookie levels with 68 Ks and a HR allowed.
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Postby davell » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:06 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:https://bitacoradeportiva.com/2016/07/didier-vargas-quinto-panameno-en-unirse-a-los-cubs/

In this interview the Cubs' rep that signed Didier Vargas, Cirilo Cumberbatch, says the Cubs hope he can push 95-96 eventually. Vargas says he's 91-92 with a 12-6 curveball. Seems like there's some upside potential ceiling to develop. He's allowed just 58 hits in 74.1 pro innings at the rookie levels with 68 Ks and a HR allowed.


Didn't AZPhil have him mid to upper 80's in EXST? Stretching out, not overthrowing, plenty of possible reasons mid 80's was to be expected for him when Phil saw him. But, everyone else was throwing what you'd expect them to. So, it did put me off him somewhat.

If he's still throwing mid to upper 80's, he's not exciting at all. He's just getting thru the lower levels due to inexperienced hitters, but will get crushed in High A or Double A, as everyone does, if they've not got something actually going for them.If he's throwing 90+ then he's much more interesting.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:30 pm

davell wrote:Didn't AZPhil have him mid to upper 80's in EXST? Stretching out, not overthrowing, plenty of possible reasons mid 80's was to be expected for him when Phil saw him. But, everyone else was throwing what you'd expect them to. So, it did put me off him somewhat.

If he's still throwing mid to upper 80's, he's not exciting at all. He's just getting thru the lower levels due to inexperienced hitters, but will get crushed in High A or Double A, as everyone does, if they've not got something actually going for them.If he's throwing 90+ then he's much more interesting.


I think a couple things matter here:

- Velocity at the amateur and low pro ball levels is highly variable especially for SPs. Even a well known prospect like a Matthew Liberatore this year are anywhere from 87-96 on a given day, we've seen it with several Cubs arms, and Vargas is a lower profile IFA prospect that hasn't been seen often if at all by domestic scouts. After that there's plenty of reasons why velocity was lower during ST and maybe all of ExST or maybe that day. My guess is Vargas is anywhere from 86-92 in a given start with

- He's 19 and a second year pro, which falls sqaurely in the inexperienced pile. That he's showing alot of skills early at young ages without blowing out his arm is good for his chances of success moving up. Hopefully by the time he's in High A the fastball is more often in the 90-92 range with better peak velocity. Most likely he gets hurt or sucks because most pitching prospects suck or get hurt or both, but so far so good as a pro for his upside ceiling potential development.
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Postby davell » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:37 pm

Good point, they do vary quite a bit, the younger they are. Hopefully we'll get Mitchell or someone else that gives us some gun readings on him this year.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:47 pm

davell wrote:Good point, they do vary quite a bit, the younger they are.


Younger, the less scouted guys, the guys with shorter track records in general both international and domestic...As a lower profile IFA just coming stateside there's not much info.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:54 pm

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CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Didier Vargas is up to 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 4 BB, 11 K.

Can't wait till they update the box score tomorrow and we find out it took 3 pitchers to get through those 7 innings.


So far so good, in regards to the AZL box score magic.


Knew it was too good to be true: https://www.thecubreporter.com/comment/ ... ent-259577

Somebody sent me an e-mail to confirm that Didier Vargas struck out 11 in 7 innings(!) for AZL Cubs #1 at AZL A's last Saturday night (which was apparently reported at several different Cubs blogs and message boards), and no, he did not. I was at the game, and for some reason the official scorer combined Didier Vargas and Maikel Aguiar into one pitcher (even though Vargas is a LHP and Aguiar is a RHP). Hopefully it will be corrected at some point.

So the actual "unofficial" pitching lines were:

1. Didier Vargas: 3.1 IP, 3 H, 2 R (1 ER), 4 BB, 5 K, 3/1 GO/AO, 70 pitches (33 strikes)
2. Maikel Aguiar: 3.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 6 K, 1 WP, 4/1 GO/AO, 54 pitches (39 strikes) - also committed a throwing error on an errant pick-off attempt at 1st base that allowed another runner to score from 3rd

If Vargas had pitched seven innings he was on pace to throw 150 pitches!
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