Hrubes20 wrote: TomtheBombadil wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:Fangraphs has him as a 70/70 on speed. I’d assume that’s based on some numbers they have access to or talked to guys about and this is likely Law just going all in one way on a guy that he does often.
You guys know how I feel about rankings and those scouting grades! As far as I can tell this and Law’s claims are both heavily subjective
Honestly can’t say I’m impressed by the few things that have come out of the AFL on Hoerner. He’s been pushed yada yada but the tools seem second division
Being clocked at 4.1 isn't subjective. That's borderline plus speed from a RH hitter.
I am probably with you on most of Hoerner's tools being 2nd division though. The hope is that the 45 power turns into 55 down the road with launch angle stuff, and that the speed/instincts will allow the 50 arm to stay at SS. There's also the hope that the 55 bat can slightly bump up to 60. We aren't talking about a superstar even if everything aligns perfectly, but the sum of the parts is a 1st division starter with some luck and good player development.
Yeah, I agree with that assessment. It's just hard to know what the final product will look like or how he'll develop over the next couple years. He might get instruction/guidance on how to field better/make his arm stronger/alter his swing and use his lower-half to hit for more power. He should get a little bit stronger naturally as he matures, but he's pretty close to physically maxed out.
Also, the most important tool for me for a position player is the hit tool. You have to hit (or be crazy good defensively) to stick in the big leagues and sometimes plus hitters develop some game power that goes beyond their raw power. No one projected Mookie Betts or Jose Altuve to have this much power. They certainly don't show it during BP. If Hoerner's hit tool is really special maybe the power comes down the road. Also, launch angle stuff can help like in Bote's case, but I don't want to mess with his swing.
Last thing is speed can be measured, but I didn't have a time and I haven't seen one online. A 4.1 time to first is very good and matches what I saw on film. Should be rated a plus in running if that's his normal time. Also, seems like a better runner underway once he gets going like KB. I don't expect him to be a prolific basestealer but maybe his instincts are really good.
We'll have a better idea next year once he gets promoted (or starts the season) to AA.
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