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Minor League Discussion & Boxes, 8-15-19

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:32 am

Box Scores:

Iowa lost 5-0 Box Score

Tennessee won 5-4 (12 innings) on a walk-off Jared Young single Box Score

Myrtle Beach won 11-2 Box Score

South Bend lost 2-1 Box Score

Eugene in progress Box Score

AZL Cubs 1 lost 5-4 Box Score

AZL Cubs 2 won 5-3 Box Score

DSL Cubs 1 lost 13-8 Box Score

DSL Cubs 2 lost 10-9 Box Score
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Re: Minor League Discussion & Boxes, 8-15-19

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:39 am

Fun facts

Nick Hoerner in AA at 22: 263/.333/.400 with 3 HRs, 19 XBHs, and a .93 GO/AO in 228 PAs

Isaac Paredes in AA at 20: .286/.371/.418 with 10 HRs, 34 XBHs, and a .85 GO/AO in 472 PAs
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Re: Minor League Discussion & Boxes, 8-15-19

Postby CubsWin » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:15 pm

Riley Thompson has been suspended indefinitely by the Cubs. Hope it's not domestic violence related, but whatever it is, it can't be good.
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Postby UK » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:16 pm

CubsWin wrote:Riley Thompson has been suspended indefinitely by the Cubs. Hope it's not domestic violence related, but whatever it is, it can't be good.


I'm assuming it has to do with the foreign substance found on his glove.
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Re: Minor League Discussion & Boxes, 8-15-19

Postby Hrubes20 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:31 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Fun facts

Nick Hoerner in AA at 22: 263/.333/.400 with 3 HRs, 19 XBHs, and a .93 GO/AO in 228 PAs

Isaac Paredes in AA at 20: .286/.371/.418 with 10 HRs, 34 XBHs, and a .85 GO/AO in 472 PAs


.300/.391/.500, 10.1% BB, 11.6% K in 69 PAs prior to breaking hand

.241/.301/.323, 6.8% BB, 8.9% K in 180 PAs afterwards

We have to wait until next year to find out if it was league adjustments, the hand, or a combination of both that led to his drop in production. Those hand and wrist injuries are buggers for hitters. I'll always remember how anemic Derrek Lee's bat was when he came back from the hand/wrist injury in 2006. It took until 2017 for him to get back to being himself.

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CubsWin wrote:Riley Thompson has been suspended indefinitely by the Cubs. Hope it's not domestic violence related, but whatever it is, it can't be good.


I'm assuming it has to do with the foreign substance found on his glove.


Yikes. Suspended for that? Seems a bit harsh to me.
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Re: Minor League Discussion & Boxes, 8-15-19

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:23 pm

Hrubes20 wrote:.300/.391/.500, 10.1% BB, 11.6% K in 69 PAs prior to breaking hand

.241/.301/.323, 6.8% BB, 8.9% K in 180 PAs afterwards

We have to wait until next year to find out if it was league adjustments, the hand, or a combination of both that led to his drop in production. Those hand and wrist injuries are buggers for hitters. I'll always remember how anemic Derrek Lee's bat was when he came back from the hand/wrist injury in 2006. It took until 2017 for him to get back to being himself.


69 is a still hilarious number but also a relatively low one, and I'm definitely not handing out credit for missing alot of playing time again to an injury again - especially a hand/wrist injury for a hitter that was already walking a fine line. It's been nearly triple the PAs before and after, it's not hard to guess it's probably part injury and part league, and even within those 69 PAs' the IsoSLG is carried heavily by a couple triples which aren't a real skill

It's good that he made it to AA at 22, high quality checkpoint to hit, but there's nothing else to really carry this season for him. The overall batting line is above average but beyond contact, which we knew coming in, there's mediocre patience and power. Full context this was already a guy who didn't really have alot of meat on his resume displaying secondary offensive skills beyond lots of contact, basically a strong CCBL and a pro debut mostly spent in an AFL where his high OPS was like 6th best on his team. He was a surprise first rounder not known for his tools or even superlative all around performance and everyone's kinda been trying to make him work to fit the Cubs roster ever since, even getting to MLB.com's top 50 prospects off a couple hundred PAs that look very different from the several hundred PAs he took before the pros and in full context weren't even so dominant.

Decent prospect, and I'm glad he's ranked in front of bat prospects with more substance and upside like Amaya and Davis so teams look there first this offseason, but I'm not holding my breath wondering whether he'll hit in the PCL next year...The upside basically still seems like an IF Almora who maybe - being in his early-mid 20s in a juiced league - hits some HRs for cheap
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Re: Minor League Discussion & Boxes, 8-15-19

Postby Hrubes20 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:39 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:The upside basically still seems like an IF Almora who maybe - being in his early-mid 20s in a juiced league - hits some HRs for cheap


Like, the current form of Almora that is the worst or second worst hitter in baseball over the past year?
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:05 pm

Hrubes20 wrote:Like, the current form of Almora that is the worst or second worst hitter in baseball over the past year?


Like the prospect Almora who would miss games to nagging injuries, made contact but not show much in the way of secondary skills, got most of his hype on being a Theo First Rounder, hit his best early and in leagues wherever everyone else hit too, but otherwise really just needed time to develop. So the mediocre starter we hoped Almora to be before he collapsed

I do think Hoerner's a marginally better prospect than that, stronger and he's hitting flyballs this year that can translate. Still, just looks like the ceiling is a second division starter whose most valuable attributes to the Cubs are in his prospect ranking, proximity to the MLs compared to their more talented prospects, and contract status
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:30 pm

Also also, on a day off for him, Pinango sits 3rd among the 21 ages 17U DSLers to takes 250+ PAs in wOBA and wRC+. Pinango's at 251 PAs, league leader is at 282, most PAs by a 17 YO is 268, Pinango turns 18 next May (hopefully in SB)
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:35 am

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Hrubes20 wrote:Like, the current form of Almora that is the worst or second worst hitter in baseball over the past year?


Like the prospect Almora who would miss games to nagging injuries, made contact but not show much in the way of secondary skills, got most of his hype on being a Theo First Rounder, hit his best early and in leagues wherever everyone else hit too, but otherwise really just needed time to develop. So the mediocre starter we hoped Almora to be before he collapsed

I do think Hoerner's a marginally better prospect than that, stronger and he's hitting flyballs this year that can translate. Still, just looks like the ceiling is a second division starter whose most valuable attributes to the Cubs are in his prospect ranking, proximity to the MLs compared to their more talented prospects, and contract status


Your M.O. seems to be to downplay every prospect getting national recognition and to attempt to unearth the hidden gems in the system so you can prop yourself up when/if they become names. You go on and on about prospect K rates and Nico has just one in his last 65 PAs but not a mention. Hes hitting very well in a tough league and hes suffered injuries but not actually of the 'nagging' variety, IMO; those to me are muscle pulls, strains, etc, not actual breaks in bones from getting hit by balls. Almora took a 2nd tour through AA to finally crack the 7% walk threshold; the first time through he took 2 in 140 PA, albeit at the ripe age of 21. But nobody in their right mind would compare their level of patience/ discipline. Nico is a year removed from being drafted and his numbers are likely to blow up in a juiced league.

You want us to care about Faustino Carrera reaching 300 innings but make no mention of him being in his 4th season in the system at 20 years old; something you've basically used as your platform for tearing down the Marquez hype... and Marquez reached that height first btw. No mention of it being of particular note.

I mean, come on.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:42 am

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:Your M.O. seems to be to downplay every prospect getting national recognition and to attempt to unearth the hidden gems in the system so you can prop yourself up when/if they become names. You go on and on about prospect K rates and Nico has just one in his last 65 PAs but not a mention. Hes hitting very well in a tough league and hes suffered injuries but not actually of the 'nagging' variety, IMO; those to me are muscle pulls, strains, etc, not actual breaks in bones from getting hit by balls. Almora took a 2nd tour through AA to finally crack the 7% walk threshold; the first time through he took 2 in 140 PA, albeit at the ripe age of 21. But nobody in their right mind would compare their level of patience/ discipline. Nico is a year removed from being drafted and his numbers are likely to blow up in a juiced league.

You want us to care about Faustino Carrera reaching 300 innings but make no mention of him being in his 4th season in the system at 20 years old; something you've basically used as your platform for tearing down the Marquez hype... and Marquez reached that height first btw. No mention of it being of particular note.

I mean, come on.


False, Amaya's awesome and getting awesomer. Kris Bryant was clean as a whistle even with the Ks. Prospect Russell was strong, really liked Almora and Soler initially...Plus what credibility/pinnings are coming? When has it ever happened that I should suddenly be secretly sowing the seeds for future props/credibility?

I praised Carrera all the way to the point that he might be recognized as a prospect next year if he doesn't Kellogg between A ball and High A. From there he might be a more serious sleeper should he not suck in AA. Marquez was getting talked about as a potential top 20 prospect in baseball as soon as after next season. There's a massive gap in hype and expectations there. Marquez's big head start of two starts spanning 7 innings last year are officially noted

It's soooooooooo much less antagonistic than you guys want it to be, just calling spades spades and glad to admit it when one isn't a spade

PS It's edtremely well understood and established that Nico Hoerner makes alot of contact, that he can do it in spectacular fashion like a 1 in 65 PA stretch is part of the package

PPS(?): He's hitting .281/.359/.351 in his last 64 PAs with 2 Ks?
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Postby Hrubes20 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:14 am

Damn. Abbott is on fire lately. 12 Ks tonight in 6.2 innings. He punched out 10 last time out in 7 innings, and 9 in 7 innings the start before that.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:17 am

Funny enough, Cory Abbott delivers 6.2 of 2 R, 1 H ball with 2 BBs and 12 Ks, a homerless outing...That gives him 147 Ks (27%) in 130.2 IP this year at AA, has 278 in 245.2 IP the past two seasons

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Postby Bertz » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:41 am



I would guess, as someone in the comments says, indefinitely here is literally "we're still figuring out how long you're suspended for" and less "you're going away for a long time, pal."
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Postby CubsWin » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:56 am

Hrubes20 wrote:Damn. Abbott is on fire lately. 12 Ks tonight in 6.2 innings. He punched out 10 last time out in 7 innings, and 9 in 7 innings the start before that.

Yeah, he's a real prospect. BOR ceiling but in his 3rd pro season now he's had just one bad month (this past June), so he's been very steady and consistent while progressing quickly thru the org as a college arm and 2nd round pick. He seems to be better at the end of each season than he was at the start of it so he's got the smarts to make adjustments which he'll need heading to the homer happy PCL.
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Postby CubsWin » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:01 am

Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/mj_ernst/status/1162088789495484416?s=19

I would guess, as someone in the comments says, indefinitely here is literally "we're still figuring out how long you're suspended for" and less "you're going away for a long time, pal."

As a guy who cares deeply about fairness, justice and ethics in the real world, I like it when the team I root for penalizes their own for trying to gain an unfair, unearned and unethical advantage. I feel like there are teams out there that would be pissed that he got caught and give him a stern talking to about how to do it better in the future.
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Postby CubsWin » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:39 am

Yovanny Cruz sitting 94 with his FB tonight thus far.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:39 am

Brendon Little: 6 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 6 K
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Postby Tim » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:14 am

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Brendon Little: 6 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 6 K

Wait.

What?
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:07 pm

Fabian Pertuz, who was struggling to hit for some power earlier on the season, has dragged his IsoSLG to league average maybe a little higher. He's at .340/.371/.463 with a .89 GO/AO and a 22% K rate...Not hard to call this one of the more successful seasons on the farm this year should he keep it up, he was mentioned by Longenhagen as an AZL sleeper or something so there's also that in case any questions about where all those future props should go

Ezequiel Pagan, who was kind of keeping up with Pertuz for a second, just can't find a power stroke with a really weak IsoSLG. He's got some things going for him - with a very projectable body, CF tools on defense, speed, big improvements in performance (more flyballs, fewer Ks), didn't turn 19 until last month - but that power production repeating a friendlier AZL is offputting. At least he knows what to work on this offseason, strength, otherwise the NWL's going to eat him right up next year
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