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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby craig » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:30 pm

Bertz wrote:...the blessing and the curse of Keith Law's work is that he's just one dude....


In processing his input, it means more to me for guys that he's seen, maybe a lot, than guys he hasn't. That Made and Quintero and Herz aren't included, I don't care at all. He's never seen those guys, so his lack of appreciation for them doesn't bother me. **IF** they turn out to be talented, then when they get far enough for him to see them, he'll probably appreciate them then.

Strumpf, Alzolay, Amaya, those are guys he HAS seen, probably more than once. So the observation that Alzolay's fastball is "flat", or that Strumf has some mechanical issues with his swing that will be problematic if unfixed, those may be good observations that are worth taking seriously.

But yeah, his rankings are often impacted by small-sample or dated info. He mentioned having watched McAvene once, last spring. Not clear that the "effort" that he saw in the delivery (I don't doubt his observation...) was true that time, but might not be there every day, and might not persist after some developmental adjustments.

Likewise he alludes to Riley Thompson hitting 100 out of pen and up to 97 in rotation. That seems like info from 2-3 springs ago. Reports from this year seemed to have good velocity, but mostly low-90's, nothing extraordinary. (Although whatever; I'm sure any guy who normally works 91-94 will unleash a fluke 97 once in a while! But in a scouting report, listing 100-in-relief-97-in-rotation kinda suggests big velocity...)
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby Regular Show » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:45 pm

Bertz wrote:MLB's looks closer to what I would consider "right." That's understandable, the blessing and the curse of Keith Law's work is that he's just one dude, so he's inherently going to be more outlier-y.

Also, Jim Callis is the best at this and has been for a long time, so that doesn't hurt.


I think Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel are better evaluators of talent and actual scouts so I wouldn't say he's the best at this lol. Jim Callis is very good and has good sources and I trust him, but Eric and Kiley are better...

MLB's list is very good and I agree with most of it.
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby Regular Show » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:39 am

Speaking of Kiley McDaniel:


It'll be interesting to compare the Top 100 list on Fangraphs against Kiley's list on ESPN. They seem pretty similar at the top of the lists, but vary towards the bottom. I think I prefer Kiley's list the best?

Nico Hoerner, Miguel Amaya and Brennen Davis all made his list.
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:50 pm

Some hot takes on the MLB.com update:

- Zack Short seems primed to be a pixie dust callup, getting praised for his power, patience, speed, and defense. With Baez coming off his first brush with a prolonged IL stay, Hoerner a possible starter at 2B, being on the 40, and the Indians holding onto Lindor the chances of a callup seems not terrible

- Really positive stuff on Gallardo, projection with advanced command and pitchability

- Mulligans for Hearn across the board, all the sites, due to tools like bat speed and defense is nice to see, putting weight on his amateur status too

- I both get and don't get the Morel hype, see him as the new most overrated Cubs prospect. At least with Marquez there's a likely ML thing going on that Morel doesn't
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:45 am

Aramis Ademan is Pipeline’s Cubs’ 31st prospect.

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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:50 am

Speaking of Ademan getting bigger, looks like it finally happened:



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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby Regular Show » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:15 am

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Aramis Ademan is Pipeline’s Cubs’ 31st prospect.


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I'm not a big fan of Aramis Ademan and the Cubs probably pushed him too fast...
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Postby Donzo » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:42 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:Speaking of Ademan getting bigger, looks like it finally happened:




Yeah, he doesn't have that teenager scrawniness to him now. We'll see if it pays off.
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Postby Regular Show » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:06 pm

Great Q&A session with Jim Callis a couple days ago:


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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:14 pm

Donzo wrote:Yeah, he doesn't have that teenager scrawniness to him now. We'll see if it pays off.


Agreed, more nice to see than anything else right now. Longenhagen had mad a comment about hearing Ademan was out of shape for instructs, but in that BP he looked more like another Best Shape of His Life guy
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Postby Donzo » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:39 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Agreed, more nice to see than anything else right now. Longenhagen had mad a comment about hearing Ademan was out of shape for instructs, but in that BP he looked more like another Best Shape of His Life guy


Yeah, he certainly looked fit... The video also shows Roedner looking like he's lost his teenage scrawniness, too. He looked a little jacked.

For the other guy in the video, some coach or something, we kinda get a picture of what Schwarber would have looked like if he gained 25 lbs rather than losing it a couple years ago... 8-)
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Postby Bear Cub » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:21 am

Luis Vazquez was very impressive in Vegas this weekend.
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:36 pm

MLB Pipeline has the Cubs with the 23rd best farm system in baseball.

https://www.mlb.com/news/2020-farm-syst ... e-coverage

23) Chicago Cubs
2019 preseason rank: unranked
2019 midseason rank: unranked
Top 100 Prospects: Nico Hoerner, SS/2B/OF (No. 51), Brailyn Marquez, LHP (No. 68), Brennen Davis, OF (No. 78), Miguel Amaya, C (No. 95)
Top 2020 rookie: Nico Hoerner, SS/2B/OF
The Cubs continue to have more success developing hitters than pitchers, with Marquez a notable exception.
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Postby Hrubes20 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:05 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:MLB Pipeline has the Cubs with the 23rd best farm system in baseball.

https://www.mlb.com/news/2020-farm-syst ... e-coverage

23) Chicago Cubs
2019 preseason rank: unranked
2019 midseason rank: unranked
Top 100 Prospects: Nico Hoerner, SS/2B/OF (No. 51), Brailyn Marquez, LHP (No. 68), Brennen Davis, OF (No. 78), Miguel Amaya, C (No. 95)
Top 2020 rookie: Nico Hoerner, SS/2B/OF
The Cubs continue to have more success developing hitters than pitchers, with Marquez a notable exception.


23rd feels about right to me.
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby CubsWin » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:33 am

Finally, an MLB.com list that makes sense to me. And I like the new format, too.

Of course, by "makes sense to me" I mostly mean that I agree with. I'm no expert, but we always think a list makes sense when it basically lines up with our thinking, heh.

But MLB's lists have had some odd inclusions and orders the last several years. Did someone new do it this year?
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CubsWin wrote:Finally, an MLB.com list that makes sense to me. And I like the new format, too.

Of course, by "makes sense to me" I mostly mean that I agree with. I'm no expert, but we always think a list makes sense when it basically lines up with our thinking, heh.

But MLB's lists have had some odd inclusions and orders the last several years. Did someone new do it this year?


By MLB.com, I think you're referring to MLB Pipeline, which is run by Jim Callis, Jonathan Mayo and Mike Rosenbaum. Those 3 are the ones in charge and come up with the lists.

The sources they talk to and scouts and stuff behind-the-scenes might change. Jordan Shusterman (Cespedes Family BBQ) hosts the MLB Pipeline podcast, but doesn't take part in compiling the lists. He's pretty knowledgable and very funny (great host).

Yeah, I like the new format as well.
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LAD only team to make every column. The Braves almost did it as well.
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

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LAD only team to make every column. The Braves almost did it as well.

You know what else the Dodgers and Braves have in common in that timeframe? Lol
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:43 am

ConstableRabbit wrote:
Regular Show wrote:
LAD only team to make every column. The Braves almost did it as well.

You know what else the Dodgers and Braves have in common in that timeframe? Lol


Man, I bet it must really suck to have never won a World Series this century.
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby Regular Show » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:41 am

ConstableRabbit wrote:
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LAD only team to make every column. The Braves almost did it as well.

You know what else the Dodgers and Braves have in common in that timeframe? Lol


I'm just objectively mentioning facts from the MLB Pipeline tweet for people unaware of farm system rankings of the past few years. Some of you guys here are so damn quick to counter any praise of rival teams, especially the Dodgers.


Again, it's kinda sad and pathetic. You won't be banished from Cubs' fandom for saying something nice (or true) about a rival team.
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

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Regular Show wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:
Regular Show wrote:
LAD only team to make every column. The Braves almost did it as well.

You know what else the Dodgers and Braves have in common in that timeframe? Lol


I'm just objectively mentioning facts from the MLB Pipeline tweet for people unaware of farm system rankings of the past few years. Some of you guys here are so damn quick to counter any praise of rival teams, especially the Dodgers.


Again, it's kinda sad and pathetic. You won't be banished from Cubs' fandom for saying something nice (or true) about a rival team.

It was a joke. Lighten up, francis.
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby Regular Show » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:01 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:
Regular Show wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:You know what else the Dodgers and Braves have in common in that timeframe? Lol


I'm just objectively mentioning facts from the MLB Pipeline tweet for people unaware of farm system rankings of the past few years. Some of you guys here are so damn quick to counter any praise of rival teams, especially the Dodgers.


Again, it's kinda sad and pathetic. You won't be banished from Cubs' fandom for saying something nice (or true) about a rival team.

It was a joke. Lighten up, francis.


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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby CubsWin » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:26 pm

Regular Show wrote:
CubsWin wrote:Finally, an MLB.com list that makes sense to me. And I like the new format, too.

Of course, by "makes sense to me" I mostly mean that I agree with. I'm no expert, but we always think a list makes sense when it basically lines up with our thinking, heh.

But MLB's lists have had some odd inclusions and orders the last several years. Did someone new do it this year?


By MLB.com, I think you're referring to MLB Pipeline, which is run by Jim Callis, Jonathan Mayo and Mike Rosenbaum. Those 3 are the ones in charge and come up with the lists.

Is there another top prospect list put out by MLB.com?
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby Regular Show » Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:32 pm

CubsWin wrote:
Regular Show wrote:
CubsWin wrote:Finally, an MLB.com list that makes sense to me. And I like the new format, too.

Of course, by "makes sense to me" I mostly mean that I agree with. I'm no expert, but we always think a list makes sense when it basically lines up with our thinking, heh.

But MLB's lists have had some odd inclusions and orders the last several years. Did someone new do it this year?


By MLB.com, I think you're referring to MLB Pipeline, which is run by Jim Callis, Jonathan Mayo and Mike Rosenbaum. Those 3 are the ones in charge and come up with the lists.

Is there another top prospect list put out by MLB.com?


Well, MLB.com is very large and employs many writers, like Jesse Sanchez for example. He primarily covers international baseball and he might create a list for top international players or prospects? Not sure honestly, but he is not a part of MLB Pipeline.
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Re: Offseason Top Prospect Lists

Postby CubsWin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:53 am

Regular Show wrote:
CubsWin wrote:
Regular Show wrote:
By MLB.com, I think you're referring to MLB Pipeline, which is run by Jim Callis, Jonathan Mayo and Mike Rosenbaum. Those 3 are the ones in charge and come up with the lists.

Is there another top prospect list put out by MLB.com?


Well, MLB.com is very large and employs many writers, like Jesse Sanchez for example. He primarily covers international baseball and he might create a list for top international players or prospects? Not sure honestly, but he is not a part of MLB Pipeline.

So, no then. Thanks. Got it.
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