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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:54 am

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CaliforniaRaisin wrote:I imagine the Stanford swing is going away. Last year was Stanford's first year with a new coach after Mark Marquess retired.

To the point of Nico's scouting reports, I feel like a lot of the media reports have said they are updating their reports and were too light on him in the past (more power is the biggest note I keep seeing). I think this shows more about the weaknesses of prospect scouting reports in the media and what info they can get rather than a negative about actual MLB scouts. We already saw the gap in info on Roederer as some teams saw him when he was healthy and didn't want to give out their more glowing reports to the media and tip off other teams.


Were other teams that interested in Roederer? I haven't heard or read anything about other teams showing heavy interest in him. They might have had better scouting reports when he was healthy, but I'm pretty sure if the Cubs don't draft him he ends up going to UCLA.


In a recent podcast, Longenhagen mentioned a scout for a team besides the Cubs whispered Benintendi comps.

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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:03 pm

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Yes, Reivaj Garcia is good. Advanced bat, will probably stay at second base, was very young for the league and still performed. Could be a 6 bat with 4 power. I like Yovanny Cruz, too. Low-90s, t95, sink, good changeup. Luis Verdugo could be plus glove at short. The draft picks played well in AZL, too.


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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:52 am

Reivaj Garcia turned 17 on August 12th. All I ask is that he become the Cubs’ Jose Ramirez
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:13 pm

The Cubs has two prospects in the AZL Top 20. One shouldn’t surprise anyone:

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Age: 18. B-T: L-L. Ht: 6-0. Wt: 175.
Drafted: HS—Newhall, Cal., 2017 (2s).


Roederer quickly became a favorite of scouts covering the Arizona League by showing top-of-the-order skills and more power than expected. He is a gamer with solid, all-around tools and good makeup. He has quick hands and good feel in the zone, with the chance to develop into an impact bat as he grows into power. Roederer should be able to stay in center, with above-average speed and a tick below-average but accurate arm.


“The way he plays the game is what impressed me the most,” said Cubs manager Jonathan Mota. “He will be more consistent as he plays more games … his plate discipline, jumps in the outfield, jumps on the bases. All of those will get better.”


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.275/.354/.465
142 AB, 5 HR, 24 RBI, 18 BB, 37 SO, 13 SB


And one surprising one:

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Age: 17. B-T: R-R. Ht: 6-0. Wt: 172. Signed: Mexico, 2017 (Cubs)


Verdugo signed with the Cubs for a $1.2 million bonus in 2017, with 25 percent of that total going to the player and the rest to the Mexican League team that held his rights --- a process that has now been suspended by Major League Baseball. The 17-year-old right-handed hitting shortstop made his pro debut this summer, and while his offensive numbers weren't impressive scouts were equally enthused about Verdugo's future ceiling. He has a good feel for the strike zone and started showing more pull power later in the summer, projecting to be a power over hit tool type especially as the body gets stronger.


While a below-average runner, Verdugo covers plenty of ground at shortstop with good actions and easy, low effort. A plus arm ensures that he can stay on the left side of the infield even if he outgrows shortstop. What stood out for Cubs manager Jonathan Mota was Verdugo's internal clock on defense and the ability to separate hitting and defense, impressive traits for his age.


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176 AB, 4 HR, 20 RBI, 17 BB, 45 SO
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:24 pm

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Re: Minor League Musings place holder.

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:17 pm

Navin (Pasadena, CA): I know the AZL is a big league so I’m not surprised they didn’t make it but did Reivaj Garcia (as a 17-year old middle infielder with good numbers) or Yovanny Cruz (ended the season with a promotion to the NWL) get any considerstion? Thank you!

Bill Mitchell: Regarding a couple of Cubs prospects that just missed making the top 20, Reivaj Garcia got a lot of support as a 16-year-old who was not at all intimidated by his first taste of pro ball. He's a natural hitter who someday may make me look foolish for not including him on this list, but he's still just so young. Garcia will probably be limited to second base but the bat should play there. He was a tough one to cut from the list. It wouldn't surprise me to see him on the Northwest League list next year as a 17-year-old. Cruz is another Cubs prospect who just missed making the list but some scouts saw him as ultimately more of a middle reliever. It's easy mid-90s velo and some feel to pitch.
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Re: Minor League Musings place holder.

Postby Regular Show » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:48 pm

This doesn't really relate to the Cubs or their farm system, but I enjoyed these questions in his latest chat on Fangraphs:

Chuncey Wiggins: Do scouts ever switch sports?

Eric A Longenhagen: Other than Jonah Hill’s Moneyball character, I can’t think of anyone switching sports off the top of my head.


I'm surprised he doesn't remember Jerry Krause. He famously started off as a baseball scout before becoming the GM of the Chicago Bulls and leading them to 6 rings, with the help of MJ, Pippen and Phil Jackson of course. He was a decent basketball scout and was one of the key influences behind scouting and drafting Toni Kukoc. He then transitioned back to being a baseball scout after he was fired.

Billy Beane: Do you have any idea what happens for the A’s if Kyler Murray suddenly becomes a 1st round pick and wants to declare?

Eric A Longenhagen: There’s a phrase that’s inappropriate for chat that applies.


Lol. Kyler Murray looked great in the Texas-Oklahoma game last week and I think he could go in the top 3 rounds of the NFL draft. They were discussing this in the latest UMP podcast on Fangraphs. I'm pretty sure he has a firm commitment to the A's, but I'd be really nervous every Saturday during college football season.
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Regular Show wrote:This doesn't really relate to the Cubs or their farm system, but I enjoyed these questions in his latest chat on Fangraphs:

Chuncey Wiggins: Do scouts ever switch sports?

Eric A Longenhagen: Other than Jonah Hill’s Moneyball character, I can’t think of anyone switching sports off the top of my head.


I'm surprised he doesn't remember Jerry Krause. He famously started off as a baseball scout before becoming the GM of the Chicago Bulls and leading them to 6 rings, with the help of MJ, Pippen and Phil Jackson of course. He was a decent basketball scout and was one of the key influences behind scouting and drafting Toni Kukoc. He then transitioned back to being a baseball scout after he was fired.

Billy Beane: Do you have any idea what happens for the A’s if Kyler Murray suddenly becomes a 1st round pick and wants to declare?

Eric A Longenhagen: There’s a phrase that’s inappropriate for chat that applies.


Lol. Kyler Murray looked great in the Texas-Oklahoma game last week and I think he could go in the top 3 rounds of the NFL draft. They were discussing this in the latest UMP podcast on Fangraphs. I'm pretty sure he has a firm commitment to the A's, but I'd be really nervous every Saturday during college football season.


the local media has been discussing this all week, but they capital-S SUCK, and have made little sense.

But it's interesting to think about. He has a $5 million commitment from the A's. And if he takes that path he goes to A ball and is committed to riding buses for at least two years, making piss money. If he felt like he'd be drafted in the top 3 rounds, he'd get a signing bonus of about $900,000 and a four-year non-commited contract worth about $4 million (Mason Rudolph, 3rd round pick last year, got 920k and a 4-year $3.98 mil deal)

baseball seems like the best bet. His odds of making a dent in the majors and getting a big contract are low, but so is the risk of injury and if he can hit at all, with his speed he'll linger for a long time.

In the NFL, he also has a very very small chance of being a difference-maker because of his size. But he has the arm and can make the throws and he has athleticism that's elite even among the NFL elite. And even though injury risk is high in the NFL, they are doing all they can to legislate QB injuries out of the game. He basically has one hurdle to making big NFL money and playing at least semi-long term - his size. If he can overcome that, and no one in modern NFL history has played QB at his size, he's gonna make big money.

There are many many more hurdles to him becoming a big baseball player.
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Re: Minor League Musings place holder.

Postby Regular Show » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:46 am

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Regular Show wrote:This doesn't really relate to the Cubs or their farm system, but I enjoyed these questions in his latest chat on Fangraphs:

Chuncey Wiggins: Do scouts ever switch sports?

Eric A Longenhagen: Other than Jonah Hill’s Moneyball character, I can’t think of anyone switching sports off the top of my head.


I'm surprised he doesn't remember Jerry Krause. He famously started off as a baseball scout before becoming the GM of the Chicago Bulls and leading them to 6 rings, with the help of MJ, Pippen and Phil Jackson of course. He was a decent basketball scout and was one of the key influences behind scouting and drafting Toni Kukoc. He then transitioned back to being a baseball scout after he was fired.

Billy Beane: Do you have any idea what happens for the A’s if Kyler Murray suddenly becomes a 1st round pick and wants to declare?

Eric A Longenhagen: There’s a phrase that’s inappropriate for chat that applies.


Lol. Kyler Murray looked great in the Texas-Oklahoma game last week and I think he could go in the top 3 rounds of the NFL draft. They were discussing this in the latest UMP podcast on Fangraphs. I'm pretty sure he has a firm commitment to the A's, but I'd be really nervous every Saturday during college football season.


the local media has been discussing this all week, but they capital-S SUCK, and have made little sense.

But it's interesting to think about. He has a $5 million commitment from the A's. And if he takes that path he goes to A ball and is committed to riding buses for at least two years, making piss money. If he felt like he'd be drafted in the top 3 rounds, he'd get a signing bonus of about $900,000 and a four-year non-commited contract worth about $4 million (Mason Rudolph, 3rd round pick last year, got 920k and a 4-year $3.98 mil deal)

baseball seems like the best bet. His odds of making a dent in the majors and getting a big contract are low, but so is the risk of injury and if he can hit at all, with his speed he'll linger for a long time.

In the NFL, he also has a very very small chance of being a difference-maker because of his size. But he has the arm and can make the throws and he has athleticism that's elite even among the NFL elite. And even though injury risk is high in the NFL, they are doing all they can to legislate QB injuries out of the game. He basically has one hurdle to making big NFL money and playing at least semi-long term - his size. If he can overcome that, and no one in modern NFL history has played QB at his size, he's gonna make big money.

There are many many more hurdles to him becoming a big baseball player.


Isn't Russell Wilson the same size? I looked it up and it says he's 5'11" and that sounds about right. Now, obviously Wilson is unique and teams want a QB with size. I think Drew Brees is also under 6', but he's also an exception. I believe Kyler Murray is 5'10" so he's shorter than Wilson and Brees, but not by much. He's definitely a better athlete than those two.

I'm not an expert or well-versed in scouting football prospects or how a player will adapt going from college to the pros. You probably know more than me about his chances (in professional football). I like Murray and think it's possible he could succeed in either sport, but I think he has a much better chance in baseball. He could be an elite CF if he puts it all together and develops as a hitter. He should be a legit 5-tool player if he reaches his considerable upside. Great case study for sure. I think Eric or Kiley said he could develop into a 4 or 5 WAR player.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:13 am

Nice for some reaffirmation on Ademan. He’s still got plenty going for him. In this system he’s still much closer to the top than not, and is as decent a breakout candidate next year as anyone in-house. Hopefully trade partners agree!
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Interesting...
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:32 am

A 5’something” one year starter (in the Big 12 no less!) QB going as high as the second or even third round would be hilarious.
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Pretty disgusting and I'd be pissed if I were a Royals fan right now.
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Postby Regular Show » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:46 am

Not a big deal, but just a petition to Raisin or some Mod to change the title lol. Just drop the place holder in the title and name it "Minor League Musings".

What is it a place holder for 50+ pages in?
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:39 pm

Regular Show wrote:Not a big deal, but just a petition to Raisin or some Mod to change the title lol. Just drop the place holder in the title and name it "Minor League Musings".

What is it a place holder for 50+ pages in?

lookie lookie at the friggin turd that started it
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Ding Dong Johnson wrote:
Regular Show wrote:Not a big deal, but just a petition to Raisin or some Mod to change the title lol. Just drop the place holder in the title and name it "Minor League Musings".

What is it a place holder for 50+ pages in?

lookie lookie at the friggin turd that started it


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Regular Show wrote:Not a big deal, but just a petition to Raisin or some Mod to change the title lol. Just drop the place holder in the title and name it "Minor League Musings".

What is it a place holder for 50+ pages in?


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Jo Adell seems like an awesome kid and a great prospect. He could be ranked #1 overall in the minors after Vlad Jr., Tatis Jr. and Eloy all graduate to the big leagues next season.

Do any of our players/prospects hold camps? I'm pretty sure Baez holds one right?
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Jo Adell seems like an awesome kid and a great prospect. He could be ranked #1 overall in the minors after Vlad Jr., Tatis Jr. and Eloy all graduate to the big leagues next season.

Do any of our players/prospects hold camps? I'm pretty sure Baez holds one right?


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Jo Adell seems like an awesome kid and a great prospect. He could be ranked #1 overall in the minors after Vlad Jr., Tatis Jr. and Eloy all graduate to the big leagues next season.

Do any of our players/prospects hold camps? I'm pretty sure Baez holds one right?


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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:47 am

Danny Hultzen re-signed with the Cubs. So did Chris Pieters, Gioskar Amaya, Roberto Caro and Erick Castillo.

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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:32 pm

Crane Kenney: The Cubs are viewed (at least from the outside) as one of the more analytical clubs. However, it seems that their player dev isn’t on the same level as other, similar, teams such as the Yankees and Dodgers. Why is that?

Eric A Longenhagen: They’ve been pretty conservative with amateur talent acquisition. A lot of polished Mexican players on the international market, lots of college arms in the draft.
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