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Who is the #21 Prospect for the Cubs?
Poll ended at Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:32 pm
Jose Arias 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Paul Blackburn 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
Steve Bruno 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Marcelo Carreno 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Willson Contreras 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Shawon Dunston Jr. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Reggie Golden 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Jae-Hoon Ha 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Michael Jensen 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Barrett Loux 16%  16%  [ 14 ]
Justin Marra 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Trey Martin 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Ryan McNeil 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Trey McNutt 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Hector Rondon 8%  8%  [ 7 ]
Jose Rosario 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Tayler Scott 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Nick Struck 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Logan Watkins 20%  20%  [ 17 ]
Ben Wells 13%  13%  [ 11 ]
Rob Whitenack 20%  20%  [ 17 ]
Tony Zych 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 85
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:32 pm 
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Please vote for the Cubs #21 prospect (serious votes only, please!). Please post your rationale below.

If someone convinces you that someone else should be higher, please feel free to change your vote anytime between now and Monday.

For this vote, you should select the players you feel should be #21, #22 and #23. If we end up with multiple players having similar vote totals at the end of the voting period, there will be a run-off with just those players.

Results so far:

#1: Javier Baez
#2: Jorge Soler
#3: Albert Almora
#4: Arodys Vizcaino
#5: Dan Vogelbach
#6: Brett Jackson
#7: Juan Paniagua
#8: Christian Villanueva
#9: Dillon Maples
#10: Josh Vitters
#11: Pierce Johnson
#12: Junior Lake
#13: Jeimer Candelario
#14: Duane Underwood
#15: Matt Szczur
#16: Arismendy Alcantara
#17: Ronald Torreyes
#18: Marco Hernandez
#19: Gioskar Amaya
#20: Alberto Cabrera

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Voted for the 3 Ws in reverse alphabetical order.

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I went Zych, Martin and Scott. I wanted to go upside more than guys who were close to MLB ready like Loux and Watkins. I also considered Wells and Whitenack.


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I went Watkins, Loux, and Wells. Personally, until I see results from Whitenack post-TJS, he's not in my top 30. Wasn't truly a believer beforehand that he had more than back end of the rotation ability.


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davell wrote:
I went Watkins, Loux, and Wells. Personally, until I see results from Whitenack post-TJS, he's not in my top 30. Wasn't truly a believer beforehand that he had more than back end of the rotation ability.


If Wells had just bit the bullet and had TJS I'd have him ranked ahead of Whitenack. But the odds are pretty high he's going to suffer through a wasted season or try to baby his arm and develop more slowly than he should.

Personally, I went with Watkins, Whitenack, and Rondon. I'm starting to think I should have ranked Rondon higher, to be honest.

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What do we expect out of Rondon? I'm envisioning a long man we hide a bunch. Try and develop into a set up type for the future. With his injury history, I can't see him as a SP anymore. Am I misguided here?


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Rob wrote:
davell wrote:
I went Watkins, Loux, and Wells. Personally, until I see results from Whitenack post-TJS, he's not in my top 30. Wasn't truly a believer beforehand that he had more than back end of the rotation ability.


If Wells had just bit the bullet and had TJS I'd have him ranked ahead of Whitenack. But the odds are pretty high he's going to suffer through a wasted season or try to baby his arm and develop more slowly than he should.

Personally, I went with Watkins, Whitenack, and Rondon. I'm starting to think I should have ranked Rondon higher, to be honest.


Same exact order for me. Same logic for having Whitenack ahead of Wells too. At the very least, I certainly want to see more than just the 4 innings he threw after he came back.

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Hmmmm

Another vote for Loux bites the dust
Whitenack others opinions here have convinced me to consider him higher.
And Bruno, a personal favorite.


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Is there a good reason to look at Viscaino's TJS situation as a glass half full while Whitenak's is a glass half empty? There seems to be a discrepancy in logic where one must come back and prove himself healthy to be considered and the other does not. Has Viscaino pitched yet? I think lacking other info on the status of recovery, both should be viewed in the same manner. Don't get me wrong, in no way do I believe the players are equivalent. Just the injury situation. I like them both.


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Is there a good reason to look at Viscaino's TJS situation as a glass half full while Whitenak's is a glass half empty? There seems to be a discrepancy in logic where one must come back and prove himself healthy to be considered and the other does not. Has Viscaino pitched yet? I think lacking other info on the status of recovery, both should be viewed in the same manner. Don't get me wrong, in no way do I believe the players are equivalent. Just the injury situation. I like them both.


Vizcaino's TJS came after a cup of coffee in the majors at age 20. Whitenack's TJS came after a cup of coffee in AA at age 22. Vizcaino has less to prove because he's knocking on the door of the majors and is still very young. Whitenack has more to prove because he did come back, lost some velocity and is still a couple years away from contributing in the majors, and is already 24 years old.

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Bilbo161 wrote:
Is there a good reason to look at Viscaino's TJS situation as a glass half full while Whitenak's is a glass half empty? There seems to be a discrepancy in logic where one must come back and prove himself healthy to be considered and the other does not. Has Viscaino pitched yet? I think lacking other info on the status of recovery, both should be viewed in the same manner. Don't get me wrong, in no way do I believe the players are equivalent. Just the injury situation. I like them both.

Primarily, it reflects their prospect status pre-surgery.


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Going with the 3 alum of the 2010 draft in hopes of a big rebound from each.

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Slide Castro Slide wrote:
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Going with the 3 alum of the 2010 draft in hopes of a big rebound from each.


McNutt was drafted in 2009.

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Blackburn
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1. Rondon - The reports seem that good. I really don't know where to place him, tbh, but considering Whitenack/Wells are my next two, two guys that have some lingering health issues, this seems like a decent place. I could go any order on the three and feel fine.
2. Whitenack - Mid-rotation ceiling when he was healthy. The velocity reports aren't as good as his peak form in 2011, when he supposedly could top out in the mid-90's, but the fact that he's close is positive.
3. Wells - Ceiling's probably a tick higher than Whitenack's, but the lingering health question just makes it hard. Healthy, he's probably a good 10+ spots higher (assuming he had continued his early season production).

4. Watkins - My bias may be getting in the way here, but I've never been convinced completely that he was a starter, and that bias still holds. I think he's a very good utility man that can have hot offensive runs, but since that is clouding my view on things, I just can't put him ahead of Whitenack/Wells, despite their TJS.


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I went Rondon, Zych, Whitenack. I think relievers are somewhat undervalued.

I agree with comments by others on wells. If I wasn't worried about his arm, he'd be way higher.


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