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Postby Tryptamine » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:59 pm

Well we may not be the favorites to land Morejon anymore which is really disappointing. It looks like he might wait until next period to sign.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/adrian-morejon-highlight-video/
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Postby David » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:09 pm

Could've sworn I posted something about this hours ago.
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Postby Tim » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:10 pm

Cue the bombadil saying he wants Ruiz most of all. Cue me saying I'm cautious after certain reports about him. And the two of us agreeing that the best approach is to simply sign them all.
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Postby David » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:15 pm

yep sign them ALL
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:56 pm

Its a sobering thought, but now that we ARE into the new year and the vast majority of these guys aren't cleared yet, other teams have a much better shot now.

I know I'll be thrilled at this point if we add 2 guys between now and the deadline. If we just get one of the 1st round talents, I'm content. If we're to do more than that, we need guys getting cleared ASAP.

I am at least happy Badler expects Morejon to be cleared to where we at least have a shot at him.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:16 am

Tim wrote:Cue the bombadil saying he wants Ruiz most of all. Cue me saying I'm cautious after certain reports about him. And the two of us agreeing that the best approach is to simply sign them all.


Still think you're confusing Ruiz with Gutierrez, but definitely sign every single one of them.

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Postby Tim » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:25 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Tim wrote:Cue the bombadil saying he wants Ruiz most of all. Cue me saying I'm cautious after certain reports about him. And the two of us agreeing that the best approach is to simply sign them all.


Still think you're confusing Ruiz with Gutierrez, but definitely sign every single one of them.


I've posted the link that referenced Ruiz' second half season decline and poor showcases a couple times.
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Postby davell » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:31 am

Gutierrez and Machado have been cleared for a good length of time already. Especially Gutierrez. The best thing about that is it likely means the Dodgers aren't THAT interested in them, or they'd already have them

Gutierrez reports from his showcases haven't been good either, hopefully it causes his pricetag to drop. I haven't heard anything on Machado at all from a showcase standpoint. At 16 though, he's another guy that likely isn't in any real hurry to sign.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:02 am

Tim wrote:I've posted the link that referenced Ruiz' second half season decline and poor showcases a couple times.


I have a bad memory, but that really sounds like what's been said about Gutierrez. Interestingly enough, Ruiz is the Cuban pitcher most often tied to the Cubs in the Google searches I just made.

Is it a subscription piece from BA?
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Postby Tim » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:04 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Tim wrote:I've posted the link that referenced Ruiz' second half season decline and poor showcases a couple times.


I have a bad memory, but that really sounds like what's been said about Gutierrez. Interestingly enough, Ruiz is the Cuban pitcher most often tied to the Cubs in the Google searches I just made.

Is it a subscription piece from BA?

IIRC, yes.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:20 am

I remember thinking Ruiz' showcase wasn't great, but I didn't think the reports were that negative either. He had his expected velo, the command wasn't quite what was expected, if I recall. Which was disappointing, but understandable due to it being his first showcase. He's had quite a layoff. Could be wrong, but that's what I thought it was.

Gutierrez, with multiple showcases, had slightly less than expected velo and worse command at his latest one than it had been.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:34 am

That explains it...I don't have a BA subscription. There was this:

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Postby Tim » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:37 am

BA wrote:Ruiz, 21, was the centerpiece of a showcase game in the Dominican Republic on Monday, with Cubs president Theo Epstein among those in attendance, no surprise given that the Cubs are targeting Cuban pitchers and are already over their 2015-16 bonus pool. Ruiz, who ranked as the No. 8 prospect in Cuba in our April rankings and the top pitcher on the island overall, threw three innings in a game against mostly amateur teenagers from the Dominican Republic.

Scouts noticed a physical difference in Ruiz, who appears to have added around 25 pounds and is now closer to 5-foot-10, 195 pounds. He’s a good athlete who throws strikes, mixes his pitches liberally and has solid stuff across the board. On Monday, his fastball operated at 89-92 mph, though there was concern among some scouts that he didn’t have the same explosive finish to his stuff that he had in the past, though his changeup was still a lively, above-average pitch. Ruiz’s stuff did look flat in the Caribbean Series in February, and he did struggle in the second half of the 2014-15 season in Serie Nacional, posting a 4.53 ERA with 36 strikeouts and 25 walks in 45 2/3 innings after the break. Some scouts are concerned that might be a trend, especially with their durability concerns due to his size and the way his mechanics work, but he has shown midrotation starter potential when he’s at his best and should have plenty more opportunities to show teams what he has over the next couple of months pitching in the Dominican Republic, including another showcase game on Saturday.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:49 am

Noooow I remember...That's disappointing, maybe a dead arm period or something.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CubsWin » Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:26 am

Tryptamine wrote:Well we may not be the favorites to land Morejon anymore which is really disappointing. It looks like he might wait until next period to sign.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/adrian-morejon-highlight-video/

This also could be a ploy to up some offers and if they don't get there, then he might just wait. Cubs are known to find a price point they're comfortable with and stick to it, so it may not make a difference with them.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:30 pm

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 33m33 minutes ago

Source: Cuban teen phenom Lazarito anticipates a decision by Feb. 10. Already negotiating with teams, while a few private workouts remain.

Badler is reporting the Braves, Nats, and Padres all plan on decimating their IFA budgets this upcoming season. With Atlanta rivaling what the Yanks did 2 years ago, 15+ mill before penalties. The Pads are now EXPECTED to get multiples of the major Cubans currently out there, according to Badler. Article below.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... ools-2016/
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:48 pm

Hasn't it been reported that the braves already have a deal for Maitan for next year already? So not surprising they are going over.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:49 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Hasn't it been reported that the braves already have a deal for Maitan for next year already? So not surprising they are going over.


Yeah, plus the really good C(Gutierrez) as well.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Tryptamine » Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:24 am

I'm not all that interested in Lazarito. I'd much rather take Morejon and Ruiz and the money would likely be even.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:30 am

Tryptamine wrote:I'm not all that interested in Lazarito. I'd much rather take Morejon and Ruiz and the money would likely be even.


Who knows? Trying to read between the lines on Morejon, we WERE the favorites, then talk of him waiting, then hearing the Pads are going big on IFA's......I guess that's our main competition on him? Other than the fact he needs to be cleared obviously.

As for pricetags, I've honestly got no idea......But I could see Ruiz bringing a ton, based on pedigree and the fact he's fairly close to being able to contribute in the majors.....Obviously, he'll need to put together a solid showcase.

Lazarito, despite the tremendous hype, is a 16 year old. I know there are rumors of him turning down 15 mill to play in Japan and speculation his pricetag can reach Moncada levels......As a 16 year old, unless teams truly see him as a Bryce Harper type(and early reports are they don't), I don't see teams shelling that kind of cash out for a kid that far out. If the Dodgers want to, they can outbid the field easily.....But at 16, I think we'll see teams(even the Dodgers) bid rather accordingly.

But yeah, I'd take Ruiz and Morejon over him, if we can choose a scenario.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:26 pm

Ray A.: Are the SF Giants linked to Cuban prospect LAZARITO at all? They already went over on Fox, so it seems smart for them to gamble on this potential superstar.
Klaw: I spoke to three scouts who saw him in San Cristobal last week. Not one said he was a “potential superstar” or even close to that.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:52 pm

Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB 4m4 minutes ago

Sources: Cuban players Yander La O (INF), Henry Quintero (INF), catcher Oscar Valdez and Anibal Sierra (SS) were declared free agents by MLB

La O is fairly significant, but he's a 3B, so I doubt we've got a lot of interest there. Not subject to bonus pools. Sierra is a glove first SS, Quintero was very well regarded(2B) until he got fat. Also not subject to bonus pools. Valdez is a guy I'm not aware of.

At any rate, it's good to see some guys getting cleared, we just need it to be some of the others(Morejon, Ruiz, Bolanos, Cionel Perez, Jorge Ona) to happen pretty quickly.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:59 pm

Valdes is a 23 YO catcher who's been with Industriales, in very limited action, since he was 18 - though there's a gap between 19-20. No clue how he's perceived THO. Listed at ~5'10" 175.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:43 pm

Here's a make shift list of the Cubans, as of now.....

OF Eddy Julio Martinez- CUBS (3 MILL)
OF Yusnier Diaz- DODGERS (15.5 MILL)
2B Omar Estevez- DODGERS (6 MILL)
P Carlos Sierra- ASTROS (UNKNOWN)
P Yaisel Sierra- DODGERS (6-30 MILL)
SS Alfredo Rodriguez- REDS (6 MILL)

Eligible players restricted to IFA guidelines

IF/OF Randy Arozarena(1st round talent)
OF Jonatan Machado (supplemental, 2nd round talent) Cards considered favorites
OF Lazarito Armenteros(??????? as to what his talent level is)
SS Annibal Sierra ( no hit, all glove guy-Arrubarruena with no attitude)
P Vladimir Gutierrez(1st round talent....May not be that anymore?)
P Johan Oviedo(18 yrs old, 94-96 mph)

Ineligible players(may become eligible at any time)
1B/3B Yordan Alvarez-20 has pop, position in question
OF Lazaro Alfonzo-21 good hitting corner OF
OF Jorge Ona-19(1st round talent) power prospect, profiles as a corner OF with middle of the order potential. Padres considered favorites
SS Diosbel Ariel Morales-20- glove first guy with no bat
3B/OF Lazaro Vargas-16(1st round potential, but very late defection) has power and excellent lineage
P Norge Ruiz-21(1st round talent) 89-93, excellent pedigree. Cubs interested in him.
LHP Luis Estrada-21 92-93, needs control
LHP Cionel Perez-19(very solid potential, if not 1st round) 95+, smaller guy, likely winds up in pen. Cubs interested in him.
P Ronald Bolanos-19(very solid potential, if not 1st round) was just clocked 94-96 with control, newer to pitching
LHP Adrian Morejon-16(1st round potential)91-93, with control and command. Padres considered favorites
LHP Pedro Duran-24- upper 80's, LOOGY upside
P Roddy Castello-23- upper 80's to low 90's, control guy


Eligible players not subject to IFA rules
CF Guillermo Heredia-24 glove ready, bat may develop
2B Pavel Quesada-27 known as a good hitter, has pop
3B Luis La O(very solid, if not 1st round talent) good defensively, decent bat, not a ton of pop
OF Yadiel Hernandez-27, 4th OFer type, good OBP, comped to Nava. Cubs interested in him
P Jorge Hernandez-25, supposedly throws 95, but only has FB
LHP Julio Alfredo Martinez-24 crafty, upper 80's, possibly LOOGY

Some of the ages are likely wrong, I'm going mostly off memory here. A few of the comments are fuzzy too...Alfonzo, Alvarez, Duran, Castello in particular) Plenty of others are out there, both eligible and not. But these guys all have received at least a tiny bit of pub when they defected or from showcases.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CubsWin » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:47 am

Sounds like Bolanos and Ona would great gets if they become available before the June 15th deadline.
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