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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby David » Thu May 12, 2016 3:26 pm

the whole IFA thing is so shady and icky feeling. still creeped out by that pirates guy in pelotero.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Tue May 31, 2016 6:50 pm

Really annoying the Cubs couldn't sign him:

Among Cuban players, the Padres are still the favorites to sign Morejon, who has been up to 95 mph with an easy delivery and good feel for his secondary pitches


The Cubs can only max out at $300k for each player Theo sign next year.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Tue May 31, 2016 6:58 pm

I'm holding out hope for Gutierrez. I'm very disappointed Ruiz STILL hasn't even been cleared, when most guys coming over months later have been.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:42 pm

Ronald Bolanos was cleared today. No idea if he's willing to sign within the next 2 weeks though. Geez, I want one more addition though.......
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Tim » Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:47 pm

davell wrote:I'm holding out hope for Gutierrez.

I think this is our last hope at this point. He must be asking for the moon from the '15-'16 bonus pool teams, knowing he has them over a barrel.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:36 pm

For the next time the Cubs can spend big money on IFAs (unless there's a draft):
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:35 am

Ben Badler wrote:CUBAN PLAYERS AND TEAMS GROWING FRUSTRATED WITH MLB FREE AGENCY PROCESS

Major League Baseball on Monday cleared Yulieski Gurriel to sign, an action that increased frustrations among Cuban players and teams, while again raising questions about how the commissioner’s office dictates which players are eligible to sign.

For many Cuban players, waiting for MLB to clear them to sign is a long process. Outfielder Jorge Ona, righthander Norge Ruiz and lefthanders Adrian Morejon and Cionel Perez are among the top young Cuban players who left their country last year and are subject to the international bonus pools. Yet all four players—and many others—are still waiting for the commissioner’s office to clear them. That is despite the fact that all of them left Cuba before Gurriel did.

Here’s when Baseball America reported that each player left Cuba:

Norge Ruiz – May 2015
Cionel Perez – May 2015
Jorge Ona – July 2015
Adrian Morejon – October 2015
Yulieski Gurriel – February 2016

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For young players subject to the bonus pools, the timing of when MLB clears them to sign can have a significant impact on their future and their earning power. On Wednesday, the 2015-16 international signing period closes, followed by a two-week closed period where no signings are allowed until July 2, when the 2016-17 signing period begins.

Once the current 2015-16 signing period ends, the Blue Jays, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants and Royals won’t be able to spend more than $300,000 on any player subject to the bonus pools, a penalty for exceeding their pools during the 2015-16 period. Unless those players get cleared by Wednesday, they will lose the ability to negotiate a deal for more than $300,000 with the Dodgers and Cubs, two teams that have been heavyweights when it comes to spending on international free agents and Cuban players in particular.
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Postby cwood218 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:46 am



... Unless those players get cleared by Wednesday ... lose the ability to negotiate ... with the Dodgers and Cubs


This is a conspiracy to thwart one of our waves!!!!
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:38 pm

Well, tomorrow is the last day for us. Badler sees the Dodgers making moves by then, but doesn't bring any other team up. Hopefully there's a surprise left for us somehow. Sucks Ruiz and Perez aren't eligible yet, as they were 2 of the guys we were really interested in.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:20 pm



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I'm going to be pissed if the Dodgers ridiculous spending made MLB intentionally drag their feet and bring down the Cubs too.
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Postby Tim » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:21 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:

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I'm going to be pissed if the Dodgers ridiculous spending made MLB intentionally drag their feet and bring down the Cubs too.

aw, hell. That sucks.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:44 am

Gutierrez, Lazarito, and Arozarena were the only 3 of those that have eligibility. Whether its meant to mean NO ONE is signing or if CF Jonatan Machado or RHP Ronald Bolanos may be signing, is still technically up for debate. Even still, Badler has acted like the Dodgers were the only one still attempting to do anything.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:11 am

The Cubans would have been nice but:

- there isn't an elite guy in the bunch and Cubans are the most expensive type of IFA.
- the guys they did sign are looking good heading into their first pro summer.
- that money, whatever it may be, could go where it belongs right now - the ML roster.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby craig » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:55 am

Cubs spent over $30, right? $18+ on players, and then with tax that puts them over $30 in actual expense?

Can't fault the willingness to spend.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:01 am

Oh yeah, the ML team comes first obviously. I was hoping the lack of a draft budget could allow for one IFA pitcher, like Gutierrez. But, as nice as it'd have been, its awfully hard to criticize the approach. Excellent showing, based on early looks and money spent overall.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:09 pm

Ben Badler wrote:Chicago Cubs

When the Cubs went over their international bonus pool in 2013-14, they signed the top two prospects available, Dominican outfielder Eloy Jimenez and Venezuelan shortstop Gleyber Torres. They signed other players too, but those two alone could make for a dynamite class. Even under the penalty in 2014-15, international director Louie Eljaua and his staff found quality players with good instincts for the game.

They’re going to have to do the same again this year after exploding past their international bonus pool in 2015-16, when they spent more money than any team on international amateur players when you exclude Cuban signings. The Cubs are always one of the most aggressive teams scouting players from all over the world, not just in in the Dominican Republic and Venezuela, but in Mexico, Panama, Colombia and Asia as well.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:19 pm

Panama and Mexico especially were huge for the Cubs last year.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:36 am

This is a Faustino Carrera elevated fastball for a swinging K against the U15 USA squad in 2014:

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Not a particularly good gif, but looks like a loose, athletic, projectable 5'10" or 5'11." If anyone remembers Carlos A. Rodriguez, a LH who was performing well in the DSL for the Cubs at very young ages but never ended up even making it to Boise or Eugene, he had similar height but a stockier, less athletic body type. Like Trevor Clifton, this guy is not tall but seems taller due to athleticism, conditioning, flexibility, long arms and legs. That's probably a good thing, though we're still talking a 17 YO pitcher. He looks like a Martin Perez/pre-TJ Banuelos/Eduardo Rodriguez starter kit.
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Postby Hrubes20 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:12 pm

Decided to not get the BA subscription this year. They just put out a J2 article for all 30 teams. Any of you have BA and are willing to share a blurb about what they said about the Cubs?
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:17 pm

Hrubes20 wrote:Decided to not get the BA subscription this year. They just put out a J2 article for all 30 teams. Any of you have BA and are willing to share a blurb about what they said about the Cubs?


I posted the blurb a few posts up. Nothing of meat in terms of names.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:45 am

A chance for the Cubs to get some big name Latin American IFAs despite their bonus restrictions:

Baseball America wrote:MLB Penalties For Red Sox International Signings Could Come Soon

Major League Baseball could penalize the Red Sox over their 2015 international signings before this year’s signing period opens on Saturday, international baseball sources have told Baseball America.

The penalties being considered, according to those sources, include signing restrictions for the upcoming 2016-17 international signing period, and possibly making several of Boston’s top 2015 international signings free agents, who would then be available to sign with any team.

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Baseball America will have more information on the full extent of penalties as they’re revealed. The commissioner’s office had been investigating the Red Sox over whether they signed several Venezuelan players from the same training programs last year in “package deals,” which are not uncommon for Latin American signings. The Red Sox were limited to signings of no more than $300,000 last year as a result of exceeding their bonus pool during the previous signing period.

Two of their most prominent signings last year were Venezuelan outfielders Albert Guaimaro and Simon Muzziotti for $300,000 bonuses each on July 2. Guaimaro was BA’s No. 15 international prospect last year, while Muzziotti ranked No. 24.
They have both been playing in the Dominican Summer League.
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Old Style wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/source-red-sox-banned-from-signing-international-players-for-a-year-153432545.html

Source: Red Sox banned from signing international amateurs for a year


wow that sucks with a likely draft coming in 2017. No last chance to splurge.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:45 pm

Baseball America wrote:Major League Baseball on Friday handed down unprecedented penalties to the Red Sox, removing prospects from their organization and banning the team from signing any international players during the upcoming 2016-17 international signing period, which opens Saturday.

As a consequence, five Red Sox signings will not become international free agents again, including 17-year-old outfielders Albert Guaimaro and Simon Muzziotti. Guaimaro ranked as Baseball America’s No. 15 international prospect last year and Muzziotti ranked No. 24. Shortstops Antonio Pinero and Eduardo Torrealba and righthander Cesar Gonzalez will also become free agents. All five players signed with the Red Sox last year on July 2 for $300,000 each, the maximum bonus the Red Sox were allowed to pay a player last year as a consequence for exceeding their bonus pool the previous signing period (2014-15) to sign players such as Anderson Espinoza, Christopher Acosta and later Yoan Moncada.

Those five players will be allowed to keep their bonus pool money—which essentially works out to a fine for the Red Sox—and will be subject to the 2016-17 international bonus pools, with one catch. Only the amount of money that the players sign for in excess of $300,000 will count against a team’s 2016-17 bonus pool. So if a player signs with another club for $500,000, only $200,000 would count against that club’s pool.

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MLB is holding a showcase on July 5 at Estadio Quisqueya in Santo Domingo. The players will also be allowed to hold private workouts for clubs.

MLB’s decision to ban the Red Sox for 2016-17 signings leaves several amateur prospects in Venezuela out to dry. Several 16-year-old Venezuelan players were expecting to sign with the Red Sox on Saturday, but those players are now scrambling to find deals with other clubs. Due to MLB’s timing, that could be difficult for some of those players, since the majority of teams have already committed their bonus pool money elsewhere with oral agreements for other players. The most notable prospect who was expected to sign with the Red Sox is Venezuelan outfielder Roimer Bolivar, the No. 31 international prospect on Baseball America’s Top 50 international prospects list.


The Red Sox could only sign Bolivar and any other prospects for $300k this period so maybe the Cubs have a chance at both the free agents and this year's potential Red Sox signings.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Tim » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:56 pm

I wonder how wary this will make other teams (like the Cubs, of course) from making those package deals. That amounts to a huge penalty for the Red Sox.

Also, let's scoop up as much of the fallout as we can!
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