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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:47 pm

Tim wrote:
davell wrote:He supposedly can play 2B, even if he's playing 3B currently. If he's willing and able, my honest guess is Zobrist wouldn't have an issue moving to RF in 2017. I doubt Gurriel plays in 2016 anywhere.

My solution:

1) get Schwarbs ready to catch in 2017
2) get Bryant ready to play LF in 2017
3) sign Gurriel and put him at 3B

Or, if Soler flops, just put Bryant in RF.

Naturally, everyone can move around in Maddon's daily position blender.


Ah yeah, that'd work. I doubt Schwarber ever catches for us though. But the KB thing works for sure. Either way, our versatility is horsefeathering awesome. We can find a spot for him. As a 32 year old for next season, obviously showing no signs of decline, I wonder what it'd take to get him?
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:51 pm

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... play-2017/

Hadn't been posted yet, but here's Badler's piece on the Gurriels, basically saying he expects Lourdes to sign between his birthday in October and early December, when the CBA ends.....
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:53 pm

got dangit, Kris Bryant was the best 3B in the NL by like a win and a half, stop trying to make him an outfielder
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:55 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:got dangit, Kris Bryant was the best 3B in the NL by like a win and a half, stop trying to make him an outfielder


But I want a guy that hits .500 and strikes out once a month.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby David » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:58 pm

are there any davenport translations available on those numbers?
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Tim » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:59 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:got dangit, Kris Bryant was the best 3B in the NL by like a win and a half, stop trying to make him an outfielder

Fine. Make Zobrist a LF, sacrifice IF defense and put Gurriel at 2B. I want the guy with the 19/1 BB/K ratio. With power.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Tim » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:59 pm

David wrote:are there any davenport translations available on those numbers?

uh, crazy awesome.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:04 am

David wrote:are there any davenport translations available on those numbers?


Here's a comparison that might be a bit more instructive, to Jose Abreu:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/regis ... urri000yul
http://www.baseball-reference.com/regis ... reu-009jos

Gurriel's peak last year is higher(although only 100 PA), and Abreu had a bit of a higher baseline, but in all their total Cuban numbers are similar.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby David » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:06 am

well then
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby David » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:43 pm

nothing groundbreaking but

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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:10 pm

If he ends up with Atlanta I feel like there will be some sort of investigation as to how they got him and Maitan next year. Or at least pile on to the case for getting rid of the horsefeathers up system in place
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:07 am

There's definitely NOT going to be an investigation on Maitan, that's extremely common place. All teams have those types of agreements in place this far in advance. Not to mention, its no different than a high school kid giving his verbal, the player (or team) can change their mind at any point.

I honestly think MLB is pulling for the Braves, Pads, or any other team not spending THIS IFA period to actually get some of these guys. Anything to keep the Dodgers from continuing to wipe their asses on this current system. I think its very likely they've drug their feet in clearing these guys in order to allow more teams into the mix.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:15 pm

Badler says the Cards appear to be the favorites to sign 16 year old OF Jonatan Machado, getting him to wait til July 2nd to sign.

Joel Sherman says Lazarito should decide today or tomorrow and just spent 4 days at the Padres complex.

By the way, that puts the Cards, Nats, Padres, and Phillies all as teams planning to go over next period and competition for us on any of these guys for the rest of this signing period.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:19 pm

From what I'm hearing, unlikely Lazarito ends up w Cubs. Unless price came down, what he's asking for is more than Cubs are willing to offer

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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:36 pm

Lazarito hasn't made up his mind and is considering waiting til J-2, new teams evidently involved. In worse news, OF Joirge On a and LHP Adrian Morejon are now considered likely to sign with the Padres.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:44 pm

davell wrote:Lazarito hasn't made up his mind and is considering waiting til J-2, new teams evidently involved. In worse news, OF Joirge On a and LHP Adrian Morejon are now considered likely to sign with the Padres.


Damn. Probably the two guys I was most interested in, especially since there was no doubt Morejon would be a Cub just a few months ago.

There are two Cuban players in particular that the Padres are likely to sign once they become free agents: right fielder Jorge Ona and lefthander Adrian Morejon. Both players performed well in the Cuban junior leagues, dominated at their most recent international tournaments before leaving Cuba and are among the top young Cuban prospects off the island right now. Since the Padres are planning to over their international bonus pool when the 2016-17 period opens on July 2, Ona and Morejon would have to wait until July 2 to officially sign with San Diego.

While the Cubs were once seen as the favorites to sign Morejon, that no longer appears to be the case with the Padres jumping into the mix. Even though Morejon is just 16 (he turns 17 at the end of the month), he’s expected to command an even bigger bonus than Ona. Morejon would easily be the best pitching prospect on the traditional July 2 market if he were from Venezuela or the Dominican Republic, standing out for his combination of stuff and feel for pitching well beyond his years. Despite his youth, he’s advanced enough to pitch in a Rookie-level complex league in the United States right now and could move quickly due to his relative polish.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:56 pm

Its updated in the post I've got tracking this stuff on page 1 of this thread, but here's the top 10 and what it looks like currently.....

1. OF Jorge Ona- Padres favored
2. RHP Norge Ruiz- Sharma says keep him on our radar
3. LHP Adrian Morejon- Padres favored(and expected to get more money than Ona)
4. IF/OF Randy Arozarena- no teams connected and is already eligible
5. RHP Ronald Bolanos- no teams connected
6. OF Lazarito Armenteros- eligible, we're connected, but appear to be longshots. Braves and Pads may be favored.
7. RHP Vladimir Gutierrez- been eligible for a while, no teams connected
8. OF Jonatan Machado- eligible, we've been connected in past, Cards are favorites
9. LHP Cionel Perez- Sharma says to keep him on the radar.
10. 3B Lazaro Vargas- no teams connected.

At this point, I think I'd list Lourdes Gurriel 1st or 2nd, but I definitely think he'll wait until after his birthday in October to sign, when he'll be free from restrictions.

At any rate, this doesn't look all that promising to me.The Dodgers are assumed to still be spending by everyone, hopefully its on guys we're not linked to.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby craig » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:58 pm

Yes, not promising. Maybe we did spend most of the discretionary money on Heyward....
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:44 am

craig wrote:Yes, not promising. Maybe we did spend most of the discretionary money on Heyward....


Eh, they'll probably walk away with 3 of the bunch and all will be right with the world.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:17 am

craig wrote:Yes, not promising. Maybe we did spend most of the discretionary money on Heyward....


That's not why I'm discouraged. The money is there, even Sharma has said we've got money for these guys. The issue is most of these guys have not been cleared yet, bringing more teams into the mix. If we do get 2 of these 10, its a very solid showing, as far as I'm concerned. If we just get Ruiz, I'll be content. But I'm obviously hoping for more. We need MLB to get off their asses and clear these guys though, or its a moot point.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CubsWin » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:15 am

davell wrote:
craig wrote:Yes, not promising. Maybe we did spend most of the discretionary money on Heyward....


That's not why I'm discouraged. The money is there, even Sharma has said we've got money for these guys. The issue is most of these guys have not been cleared yet, bringing more teams into the mix. If we do get 2 of these 10, its a very solid showing, as far as I'm concerned. If we just get Ruiz, I'll be content. But I'm obviously hoping for more. We need MLB to get off their asses and clear these guys though, or its a moot point.

If the latest reports were accurate, bring me Bolanos and I'm happy. I'll dream on Lourdes Jr., Ruiz and Ona.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby davell » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:32 pm

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/164578238 ... =151437456

The Gurriels appear to want to be a package. Kind of cool, I have to think we'd be very serious players on this. Along with half the league probably.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CubsWin » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:13 am

AZ Phil gave a complete breakdown of the IFA signings thus far. Lots of names we haven't heard before (and may never hear again...)

The Cubs have signed 27 International Free-Agents (IFA) since the start of the 2015-16 International Signing Period (ISP) that began on July 2nd.

The 2015-16 ISP concludes on June 15th.


The 27 IFA signed by the Cubs so far are from six different countries, including ten from the Dominican Republic, six from Mexico, six from Venezuela, two from Panama, one from Cuba, one from Colombia, and one from Korea (ROK).

It's notable that Cubs have signed as many 2015-16 IFA out of Mexico as they have out of Venezuela, as the Cubs continue to increase their scouting presence in Mexico. (The Cubs signed three players out of Mexico in the 2014-15 ISP--RHP Jesus Camargo, RHP Hector Garcia, and 2B Carlos Sepulveda--after signing only two players out of Mexico in the previous five years).

The percentage of Venezuelan IFA players signed by the Cubs (so far) in the 2015-16 ISP (only 25%) is lower than it has been in the last few years, which is perhaps related to the Cubs pulling out of the Venenuelan Summer League post-2015 (which led to the disbanding of the VSL).

* bats or throws left
# bats both

NOTE: age listed is age the player was when he signed

PITCHERS: 10
Jose Albertos (Mexico) - age 16
Maikel Aguiar (Venezuela) - age 19
Javier Assad (Mexico) - age 17
* Faustino Carrera (Mexico) - age 16
Carlos Ocampo (Colombia) - age 17
* Brailyn Marquez (Dominican Republic) - age 16
Hector Matos (Dominican Republic) - age 16
Yunior Perez (Dominican Republic) - age 16
* Jose MacDonna (Dominican Republic) - age 19
Edison Novas (Dominican Republic) - age 18

CATCHERS: 4
Miguel Amaya (Panama) - age 16
Henderson Perez (Venezuela) - age 16
# Herson Perez (Venezuela) - age 18
Kevin Zamudio (Mexico) - age 17

INFIELDERS: 6
* Aramis Ademan (Dominican Republic) - age 16
Luis Diaz (Dominican Republic) - age 16
* Christopher Morel (Dominican Republic) - age 16
Orian Nunez (Dominican Republic) - age 17
# Yonathan Perlaza (Venezuela) - age 16
Isaac Paredes (Mexico) - age 16
NOTE: Five of the six 2015-16 IFA infielders were signed as shortstops (Nunez was signed as a second-baseman)

OUTFIELDERS: 7
# Jose Gutierrez (Venezuela) - age 16
* Kwang-Min Kwon (South Korea) - age 17
Fernando Kelli (Venezuela) - age 17
Eddy Julio Martinez (Cuba) - age 20
* Ruben Reyes (Mexico) - age 19
* Abraham Rodriguez (Panama) - age 16
* Jonathan Sierra (Dominican Republic) - age 16
NOTE: Kwon and Sierra are strictly corner OF (and Kwon also plays 1B), while the other five can play all three OF positions

Albertos, Amaya, Ademan, Diaz, Paredes, Kwon, and Sierra attended Fall Instructs in Mesa last September, and Kwon won the Instructs HR Derby (Eloy Jimenez was asked not to participate, to give others a chance to win).
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Bear Cub » Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:00 am

Lots of shortstop prospects in this group.
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Postby Johnny O'Hagan » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:50 pm

Plenty of left handed hitters too...
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