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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby weis21 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:30 am

Random, but it's happened over and over and over.

Does anyone else see this thread bumped and initially read it the title as, "Intentional Thread 2015-2016"? I swear I do that every time for some reason. then i read it in my head "intentional thread...no you dumbass you do that every single time. it's international". repeat.

anyway. i appreciate reading and hearing the thoughts of people that are much smarter on these players than I am. carry on!
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby mdwilla » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:16 pm

Badler at BA had a big update on Cuban free agents today that included the Cubs among others. Anyone has the info on the Cubs? Not having a a big draft pool this year and losing our top two picks it would be nice to snag a few more Cubans free agents to deepen the system.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:11 am

mdwilla wrote:Badler at BA had a big update on Cuban free agents today that included the Cubs among others. Anyone has the info on the Cubs? Not having a a big draft pool this year and losing our top two picks it would be nice to snag a few more Cubans free agents to deepen the system.


Not every player was linked to team but he did link the Cubs to Norge Ruiz (along with the Dodgers) and Vladimir Gutierrez (along with the Dodgers and Giants).

Badler reiterated Morejon was linked to the Padres and Lazarito to the Padres with the Dodgers and Braves waiting in the wings.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:49 am

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2 ... ierrez.php

Badler reported on the last day of February the Cubs and Dodgers are the two teams that have been linked to Norge Ruiz. And the Cubs, Dodgers and Giants are three teams that have been connected to Vladimir Gutierrez.

This is not the first time Ben Badler and Jesse Sanchez have reported the Cubs have interest in the soon-to-be 22-year old Ruiz. Major League Baseball has not declared him a free agent, so he cannot sign with a team yet. Ruiz moved from the Dominican Republic and set up residency in the Bahamas.

Norge Ruiz held a showcase while he was in the Dominican that Theo Epstein attended in December.

Ruiz is 21 years old (turns 22 in March), 5-foot-10 and 195 pounds. Ruiz throws four quality pitches. Ruiz features a fastball, changeup, slider and a splitter that Ben Badler reported “can be tricky to distinguish from his changeup.”

Ruiz has been described as “more of a finesse pitcher.” His fastball sits in the 89-93 mph range and has touched 94 on the gun. His changeup is reportedly an above-average to plus pitch and the slider has flashed above average. According to Jesse Sanchez, Ruiz has been showing “fastball, cutter, slider and splitter in private showcases for teams in the Bahamas.”

In his latest update, Badler described Ruiz as “athletic” and features “plus stuff across the board and excellent feel for pitching.”

Norge Ruiz projects as a mid-rotation starter. It was believed last April he could step into a High- or Double-A rotation.

Vladimir Gutierrez is 20 years old, 6-foot-3 and 170 pounds. Gutierrez fastball sits in the 88-93 mph range. According to Ben Badler, his fastball is “projected to reach at least into the mid-90s once he fills out.” Gutierrez already throws what is considered a plus curveball.

Gutierrez was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball last summer but remains unsigned. Badler indicated “part of that is because he simply hasn’t looked right during his workouts for clubs while training in Florida.”




Reeeeeaaaally want the Cubs to sign Ruiz.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Tim » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:53 pm

Also want the Cubs to sign Gutierrez, who looked much more impressive in his recent workout.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/g ... F8QY4xG.97

He touched 94-96 mph in the first inning, dipped to 92-93 more consistently in his second inning but once again touched 95 in the third “inning.” He pitched out of the windup and the stretch.

Blessed with an athletic but skinny frame, Gutierrez generates his velocity from long, lanky levers. The 20-year-old still has room to add strength as he matures as he has very little musculature on his upper body. He’s athletic and projectable with a fast arm and a history of success.

In other words, he’s once again showing signs that he’s worthy of a big contract. If he was eligible for the June draft, multiple scouts suggested that he’d be a first-round talent.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:09 pm

Cubs paid 12 of the 40 biggest non-Cuban IFA bonuses last year:

6. Jonathan Sierra, OF, Dominican Republic - $2.5 million
10. Aramis Ademan, SS, Dominican Republic - $2 million
15. Jose Alberto's, RHP, Mexico - $1.5 million
21. Henderson Perez, C, Venezuela - $1.25 million
T-23. Miguel Amaya, C, Panama - $1.2 million
T-23. Kwangmin Kwon, OF, South Korea - $1.2 million
T-28. Cristopher Morel, SS, Dominican Republic - $800,000
T-28. Isaac Paredes, SS, Mexico - $800,000
T-35. Yunior Perez, RHP, Dominican Republic - $600,000
T-35. Brailyn Marquez, LHP, Dominican Republic - $600,000
40. Jose Gutierrez, OF, Venezuela - $550,000

Eddy Julio Martinez had the 6th biggest Cuban bonus at $3 million.
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Postby craig » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:05 am

Those 12 add up to $16.6. Almost all is above the tax line, so that's got to be $30-million in actual costs for those 12 guys alone. May not be done, but even if they are, we can hardly complain that they've been cheap.

Hopefully the scouting was wise and some of the $$ turns into actual big-league value players.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Johnny O'Hagan » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:40 pm

Eddy Martinez 18 January 1995 CF $3,000,000 C
Yonathan Sierra 17 October 1998 OF $2,500,000 D
Aramis Ademan 13 September 1998 SS $2,000,000 D
Jose Albertos 7 November 1998 SP $1,500,000 M
Miguel Amaya 9 March 1999 C $1,250,000 P
Henderson Perez C $1,250,000 V
Kwang Min Kwon 12 December 1997 OF $1,200,000 SK
Yonathan Perlaza 10 November 1998 SS $1,000,000 V
Isaac Paredes 18 February 1999 SS $800,000 M
Christopher Morel 3B $800,000 D
Yunior Perez 1 December 1998 SP $600,000 D
Brailyn Marquez 1 November 1998 SP $600,000 D
Jose Gutierrez OF $550,000 V
Luis Diaz 1 April 1999 SS $350,000 D
Orian Nunez 3 September 1998 2B $300,000 D
Faustino Carrera SP $250,000 M
Abraham Rodriguez OF $100,000 P
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby Johnny O'Hagan » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:49 pm

The Cubs gave two pitchers $600,000 bonuses last year, including 17-year-old Dominican righthander Yunior Perez. He trained with Franklin Ferreras originally as a shortstop but moved to the mound around a year before signing. At a projectable 6-foot-4, 190 pounds with a high waist and long arms, Perez has the makings of a future power arm. His velocity was inconsistent before signing, but he’s already been up to 93 mph with good movement and late finish, with a chance to be throwing in the mid-90s or better in the next few years. He’s also shown ability to spin a breaking ball that could develop into an average pitch, with a fairly easy delivery and good arm action, especially for a conversion guy.

Found the above the most interesting in BA's article.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... eKB70p5.97

Other interesting notes;
Paredes, Ademan, Albertos & possibly Sierra playing in AZL. Ademan best prospect from IFA signings.
Christopher Morel injured. Out until mid season at least.
Marquez 92 mph Albertos 94. Javier Assad (150k) 94
Apparently several teams didn't even get an opportunity to see Henderson Perez. Cubs signed him early i'd say
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:39 pm

^^ Thanks

So they ended up signing Marquez? Nice

IIRC, he and Perez were the largest of the 7/2 IFAs last year that McDaniel had ranked. Perez at 6'4" and Marquez at 6'3". Marquez was also the top rated LHP for the last 7/2 period.

Hopefully these guys believe in themselves
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CubsWin » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:26 am

Johnny O'Hagan wrote:Eddy Martinez 18 January 1995 CF $3,000,000 C
Yonathan Sierra 17 October 1998 OF $2,500,000 D
Aramis Ademan 13 September 1998 SS $2,000,000 D
Jose Albertos 7 November 1998 SP $1,500,000 M
Miguel Amaya 9 March 1999 C $1,250,000 P
Henderson Perez C $1,250,000 V
Kwang Min Kwon 12 December 1997 OF $1,200,000 SK
Yonathan Perlaza 10 November 1998 SS $1,000,000 V
Isaac Paredes 18 February 1999 SS $800,000 M
Christopher Morel 3B $800,000 D
Yunior Perez 1 December 1998 SP $600,000 D
Brailyn Marquez 1 November 1998 SP $600,000 D
Jose Gutierrez OF $550,000 V
Luis Diaz 1 April 1999 SS $350,000 D
Orian Nunez 3 September 1998 2B $300,000 D
Faustino Carrera SP $250,000 M
Abraham Rodriguez OF $100,000 P

Albertos got some love in the spanish language article announcing he'd signed with the Cubs. It said some scouts thought he was a top-3 talent of all IFA pitchers. I'd never heard of C Henderson Perez until you posted this and he got the same money as Amaya.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CubsWin » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:29 am

Johnny O'Hagan wrote:
The Cubs gave two pitchers $600,000 bonuses last year, including 17-year-old Dominican righthander Yunior Perez. He trained with Franklin Ferreras originally as a shortstop but moved to the mound around a year before signing. At a projectable 6-foot-4, 190 pounds with a high waist and long arms, Perez has the makings of a future power arm. His velocity was inconsistent before signing, but he’s already been up to 93 mph with good movement and late finish, with a chance to be throwing in the mid-90s or better in the next few years. He’s also shown ability to spin a breaking ball that could develop into an average pitch, with a fairly easy delivery and good arm action, especially for a conversion guy.

Found the above the most interesting in BA's article.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... eKB70p5.97

Other interesting notes;
Paredes, Ademan, Albertos & possibly Sierra playing in AZL. Ademan best prospect from IFA signings.
Christopher Morel injured. Out until mid season at least.
Marquez 92 mph Albertos 94. Javier Assad (150k) 94
Apparently several teams didn't even get an opportunity to see Henderson Perez. Cubs signed him early i'd say

I've read reports on Yunior Perez and Javier Assad in minor league camp this spring with similar velocities and saw them both when I visited Mesa. I was surprised. Under the radar signings. The Cubs scouts continue to impress.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby craig » Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:37 pm

Thanks for all the info, friends. Very fun, very encouraging. Albertos as a 94-mph $1.5, that's very cool. Perez as a tall power conversion guy who's already gaining consistency, that's very cool. Two $1.25 catchers, that's hopeful. >$18 spent from those notes, at well over $30M given the tax, and perhaps still the possibility that there may be more who still sign, or that they don't know about, that's cool too.

INteresting to have a couple of $$ guys from Mexico, and interesting that despite seeming to pull out from Venezuela, they still got three Venezuelan kids on that list.
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Postby Johnny O'Hagan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:01 am

75% of mexican bonuses go to the team therefore only quarter of bonuses mentioned above go against the cubs bonus pool.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:47 pm

After his last showcase sparked more interest around the league, Cuban righthander Vladimir Gutierrez will have another open workout at the Phillies’ complex in Clearwater, Fla. on April 29.

Gutierrez, 20, had been one of the top pitching prospects in Cuba before he fled the Cuban team in Puerto Rico at the Caribbean Series in February 2015. Gutierrez became a free agent last summer, but he remained unsigned and switched agents multiple times, leaving teams unimpressed after showing vanilla stuff that was down from when he was in Cuba and mechanics that were out of whack.

His stock rebounded in a breakout performance last month in Florida, where J.J. Cooper wrote that Gutierrez sat at 92-94 mph and touched 96, flashing a hammer curveball up to 80 mph that was his signature out pitch in Cuba. Gutierrez has since been up to 97 mph in private showings, a significant increase from where he was last summer and more velocity than he ever showed in Cuba, when he was 88-93 mph but had all the physical indicators between his arm speed and lanky 6-foot-3 frame that more velocity would be coming.

The showcase will likely draw in more senior-level evaluators from teams that had previously been scratching their heads on Gutierrez after his showings last summer. It should also leave enough time for teams currently over their bonus pool—including the Blue Jays, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Royals—to make a decision before the 2015-16 signing period ends on June 15 and they are no longer able to sign pool-eligible players like Gutierrez for more than $300,000


http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... AjT92o9.99

Possibly wrong forum or already made thread? I couldn't find an IFA thread, but I feel like there was one and just didn't look hard enough.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:35 pm

I merged the two threads.
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Postby Tim » Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:36 pm

Make this one happen, Theo.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:42 pm

Tim wrote:Make this one happen, Theo.


Yeah, Gutierrez is one of the few guys who seems willing to sign in his period. I hope they get him.

Seeing how so many guys are willing to wait till the next period and how Moncada is probably the best prospect still in the minors, it bums me out he wasn't willing to wait for the Cubs.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby craig » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:49 pm

Johnny O'Hagan wrote:75% of mexican bonuses go to the team therefore only quarter of bonuses mentioned above go against the cubs bonus pool.


That would seem to make Mexico an obvious niche place to target. Same for everybody, of course....
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby craig » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:41 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
Tim wrote:Make this one happen, Theo.


Yeah, Gutierrez is one of the few guys who seems willing to sign in his period. I hope they get him.

Seeing how so many guys are willing to wait till the next period and how Moncada is probably the best prospect still in the minors, it bums me out he wasn't willing to wait for the Cubs.


96 with a hammer curve and projectable, that's a dream combo. Gutierrez has himself situated in a nice place, where he can get bids from this year's teams and next year's. So he's got a pretty full opportunity. Cubs have already spend $30, and sounds like he'd likely cost a bunch more x 2. But that would be really cool.

Seems silly to even relate the international market for a teenager to what's happening with the big-league club. But, I almost feel like the great start for the big-league Cubs makes it very likely that there will be October revenue coming in. More projected revenue, more ability to fund a prospect you like.

Hopefully they go after this guy and it works great.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:15 am

Cubs had a solid presence at Vladimir Gutierrez' final showcase:

Baseball America wrote:The Astros, who are planning to break their international bonus pool when the 2016-17 signing period opens on July 2, had the deepest crew of evaluators on hand, according to those in attendance. The Dodgers, who are over their current bonus pool, also had a strong presence at the event.

The Cubs and Royals (both over their current pools) as well as the Braves, Cardinals, Padres and Reds (all going over their pools on July 2) were among the other clubs with a notable contingent in town to watch Gutierrez. The Orioles, Brewers and Marlins also had scouts on hand at the workout, which didn’t draw the enormous crowds that some Cuban showcases had, but had several top evaluators there.

On Friday, the lanky 6-foot-3 Gutierrez threw around 75 pitches, with around 30 pitches to warm up on the mound, then another 45 or so split over three innings of a simulated game against low-level hitters from the Phillies’ extended spring training squad. Reports on Gutierrez’s velocity generally ranged from 93-96 mph, consistent with what he showed at his previous showcase last month. That’s an increase from what Gutierrez was throwing in Cuba, and he’s hit 97 mph recently in private showings.

Gutierrez also impressed scouts in attendance with his curveball, showing sharp bite and tight spin, though while he generated a lot of weak contact, he didn’t get much swing-and-miss. Gutierrez was mostly a two-pitch guy in Cuba, and while he occasionally flashed an average changeup there, his changeup got mixed reviews today, and he sprinkled a slider in as well that wasn’t as good as his curve.
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu May 05, 2016 6:45 am

Fonz (Milwaukee): Is there any buzz about unsigned Cubans that you can share with us (like Ona and Morejon to the Padres)?

Ben Badler: The Padres are still likely to sign Morejon and Ona. The latest buzz I’ve heard on Morejon is that his stuff continues to trend in the right direction, with his fastball reaching 95 mph.


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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue May 10, 2016 12:10 am

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I think I'm doing this thing now with pitching prospects where I either assume they're going to drop dead of arm injury or end up in the bullpen. If they show a bunch of SP traits (stay healthy, good delivery, eat innings, don't walk a ton of guys, groundball guy probably, enough Ks to keep them honest probably) they earn status as a SP prospect. I've probably been doing this unconsciously in my head for a while tbh and I think it's kinda sorta working so...Anyway, I see those dimensions and that velocity and my first thought was "it would be nice if Cubs were to develop/luck into a Betances."
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Re: International Thread 2015-2016

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu May 12, 2016 3:04 pm

MLB is investigating the Red Sox over potential package deal signings in 2015. MLB comes off looking pretty bad in the investigation:

Baseball America wrote:Major League Baseball is investigating the Red Sox over their 2015 international signings, focusing on whether the team signed multiple Venezuelan players in “package deals” and whether that would be considered a circumvention of MLB’s international bonus pools, according to multiple international sources.

During the process, MLB officials questioned players as young as 16 individually, according to multiple sources, and threatened to suspend them if they were not truthful. The commissioner’s office acknowledged the questioning but said no players were threatened with suspension.

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The players, most of whom are still 16 or 17 years old, did not have their parents or any representation with them. According to multiple sources, MLB officials told the players that if they lied, the commissioner’s office would suspend them. They asked the players to give them their banking information and said they would investigate their bank accounts, according to those sources. Some of the players broke down in tears.

“They put a lot of pressure on them, like they were criminals,” said one source. “They’re trying to put pressure on the kids to talk to them.”
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