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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:12 pm

CubInOK wrote:This has to be the world record for ratios. Just... never post thirsty-for-Ocasio-Cortez tweets.



I always get a kick out of conservatives doing this weird twisty thing where they suddenly have high standards for the things they hate. It's almost like they can't truly hate things like a "socialist" unless said socialist actually living like a filthy poor, or an environmentalist unless they're living in a cave eating bark.

This has been posted a million times, but it's basically the mantra of every stupid "young conservative"/Libertarian/"independent voter" out there:

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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:18 pm

Never forget:

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O'REILLY: The Census Bureau reports that 43 million Americans are currently living in poverty. The bureau defines poverty as a family of four earning less than $22,000 a year. But the conservative Heritage Foundation says that many poor American families have lots of stuff. Here now to analyze, Fox Business anchor Lou Dobbs.

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O'REILLY: Eight-two percent have a microwave. This is 82 percent of American poor families. Seventy-eight percent have air conditioning. More than one television, 65 percent. Cable or satellite TV, 64 percent -- thank God.

DOBBS: Amen, brother.

O'REILLY: Cell phones, 55 percent. Personal computer, 39 percent. And as we said, that's a 6-year-old consumption survey, so these numbers are way up. So how can you be so poor and have all this stuff?


STUART VARNEY (guest host): A new report showing poor families in the United States are not what they used to be. Now, many poor families have homes with cable TV, cell phones, computers, you name it -- much, much, more. My next guest is digging up all of this stuff. Robert Rector is with the Heritage Foundation.

Robert, I'm just going to give our viewers a quick run-through of what items poor families in America have. Ninety-nine percent of them have a refrigerator. Eighty-one percent have a microwave. Seventy-eight percent have air conditioning. Sixty-three percent have cable TV. Fifty-four percent have cell phones. Forty-eight percent have a coffee maker -- I'm not surprised, they're only about 10 bucks. Thirty-eight percent have a computer. Thirty-two percent have more than two TVs. Twenty-five percent have a dishwasher.

This, Sir, Mr. Rector, is very different what it was just a few years ago, isn't it?

ROBERT RECTOR (Heritage Foundation senior research fellow): No, actually what you see is that the living standards of the poor have increased rather steadily for the last 30 years. And in fact, the poverty report has not accurately reflected their living conditions really for several decades.

VARNEY: Now, I understand that today, the federal government says 14 percent of the population lives in poverty, and that's roughly the same as it was back in 1966, before all the Great Society programs. But doesn't that look poverty as a financial, a monetary thing?

RECTOR: Yes, part of the reason that when you look at the actual living conditions of the 43 million people that the Census says are poor, you see that in fact, they have all these modern conveniences. If you ask them, did your family have enough food to eat at all times during the last year, the overwhelming majority will say yes. If you ask them were you able to meet any medical needs you may have had, they will say yes.

The typical poor family in the United States lives in a house or an apartment and actually has more living space than the average European. Not a poor European, but the average Frenchman or the average German.

So, in fact, there really isn't any connection between the government's identification of poor people and the actual living standards and the typical American -- when an American hears the word "poverty," he's thinking about somebody that doesn't have enough food to eat, someone that's possibly homeless. It's not true.


It's amazing the crazy amount of doublespeak that can live in a Republicans' head. Nobody can push for things like fair wages or workers' rights or a security net legitimately unless they're running around with pickle jars for shoes and dirt for shampoo while wearing shopping bags for clothes...but if you're an ACTUAL poor person making a long and dangerous journey to America out of the hopes of just being LESS POOR, well, you're some kind of terrifying monster.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:20 pm

AND HE horsefeathering CALLED HER A "GIRL."

[expletive], I cannot despise his ilk enough.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Brian707 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:27 pm

This country is horsefeathers until the idiots stop voting GOP. Gerrymandering helps too. Maybe deep down the GOP leadership knows they are horsefeathers in the very near future and are hell bent these last few years and next few and stuffing this gawd awful crap on the American public.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Brian » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:25 pm

It's quite amazing how she's been nationally known for less than a year and she can trigger these idiots so hard already.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:28 pm

Brian wrote:It's quite amazing how she's been nationally known for less than a year and she can trigger these idiots so hard already.

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jersey cubs fan wrote:
Brian wrote:It's quite amazing how she's been nationally known for less than a year and she can trigger these idiots so hard already.

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Reaching for some sort of R word to finish the acrostic I did not realize I was starting.


Rational? Respected?
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Postby mul21 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:48 pm

Someone smarter than me explain if this is pie in the sky or potentially realistic. Or if it's an even remotely good idea.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/andrew- ... X2B1NfqSeU
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:55 pm

mul21 wrote:Someone smarter than me explain if this is pie in the sky or potentially realistic. Or if it's an even remotely good idea.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/andrew- ... X2B1NfqSeU

Universal Basic Income is realistic, and quite probably a good idea, and considered by many to be inevitable. But it will be a dirty fight to get it.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:02 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
mul21 wrote:Someone smarter than me explain if this is pie in the sky or potentially realistic. Or if it's an even remotely good idea.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/andrew- ... X2B1NfqSeU

Universal Basic Income is realistic, and quite probably a good idea, and considered by many to be inevitable. But it will be a dirty fight to get it.


horsefeathers, it's going to be an out and out necessity.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:04 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
mul21 wrote:Someone smarter than me explain if this is pie in the sky or potentially realistic. Or if it's an even remotely good idea.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/andrew- ... X2B1NfqSeU

Universal Basic Income is realistic, and quite probably a good idea, and considered by many to be inevitable. But it will be a dirty fight to get it.


yes. The years of reupublican erosion of the middle class has painted it as "evil" and "laziness" when it isn't.
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Postby NOLA » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:07 pm

Brian707 wrote:This country is horsefeathers until the idiots stop voting GOP. Gerrymandering helps too. Maybe deep down the GOP leadership knows they are horsefeathers in the very near future and are hell bent these last few years and next few and stuffing this gawd awful crap on the American public.

This is why all the state legislature and governor flips were so important. We already saw what can happen in PA. If you look at the Congressional district maps down here, there is a sliver that combines Baton Rouge and New Orleans metropolitan areas into one district with the rest comfortably Red. I'm not saying we should be Massachusetts but hell, we could easily have 2-3 Dems from here instead of just Cedric Richmond.
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Postby The Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:46 pm

Haven't seen much talk about it because most news has been focused on Democrats bringing Trump to task now that they have the house, but does it mean anything for Ajit Pai and the FCC? Or is that out of their jurisdiction?
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:06 pm

After overseeing untold damage to the courts for the next several decades, onward & upward

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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:50 pm

He should definitely dump Pence. The only reason he chose him in the first place was because he was lowly enough that taking a long shot on a Trump win was worth the risk of being associated with Trump. Now that even the biggest Trump critics in the GOP have kissed the ring he can have his pick of the horsefeathers litter.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:16 pm

I wish I didn't have my head so far up my ass at this guy's age

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Postby NOLA » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:46 pm

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This line is amazing:
At the annual winter meeting of the Democracy Alliance at a downtown Washington hotel this past week, the agenda featured groups focused on registering and mobilizing voters in Arizona, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas.

I don’t know if they could ever swing KS or OK but I love the fact that Perez is being that aggressive. To me, the best path to getting inroads into southern states is via the environment and health care.
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Postby UK » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:41 pm

NOLA wrote:
CyHawk_Cub wrote:


This line is amazing:
At the annual winter meeting of the Democracy Alliance at a downtown Washington hotel this past week, the agenda featured groups focused on registering and mobilizing voters in Arizona, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas.

I don’t know if they could ever swing KS or OK but I love the fact that Perez is being that aggressive. To me, the best path to getting inroads into southern states is via the environment and health care.


You don't have to win back people who voted for Trump because they're a lost cause but you still have to motivate voters in the Rust Belt.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:21 pm

Lots of black voters in the Rust Belt. Turn them out.

We *just* proved that the coalition of black voters and suburbanites can defeat Trump's wild popularity in the rurals.
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UK wrote:
NOLA wrote:
CyHawk_Cub wrote:


This line is amazing:
At the annual winter meeting of the Democracy Alliance at a downtown Washington hotel this past week, the agenda featured groups focused on registering and mobilizing voters in Arizona, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas.

I don’t know if they could ever swing KS or OK but I love the fact that Perez is being that aggressive. To me, the best path to getting inroads into southern states is via the environment and health care.


You don't have to win back people who voted for Trump because they're a lost cause but you still have to motivate voters in the Rust Belt.

Absolutely, but I just love the attention given to some nontraditionally competitive states. The 50 state strategy is real.
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Postby UK » Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:37 pm

It's a positive, I'm still skeptical until they can actually relay a message effectively that doesn't revolve around Trump.

Win Texas and you actually only need a 1 state strategy and let FL sink into the Atlantic.
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