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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:29 pm

Pennsylvania's new congressional map is a pretty big deal. The previous map gave Republicans a lock on 13/18 seats against vote totals that would indicate a 9/9 split most years. The new map follows logical demographic and geographic boundaries and lends itself to a 9/9 split in close years.

That's pretty huge for the upcoming midterms. Democrats were hoping to pick up a couple of seats in the state anyway, and now they are almost certain to pick up 4.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

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Hey, that one Zwaan album was pretty solid.
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Postby Derwood » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:25 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Pennsylvania's new congressional map is a pretty big deal. The previous map gave Republicans a lock on 13/18 seats against vote totals that would indicate a 9/9 split most years. The new map follows logical demographic and geographic boundaries and lends itself to a 9/9 split in close years.

That's pretty huge for the upcoming midterms. Democrats were hoping to pick up a couple of seats in the state anyway, and now they are almost certain to pick up 4.


PA Republicans are going to challenge the hell out of it. Their angle is that there is no precedent established for "voting fairness" being a requirement for drawing district lines, and that the slippery slope is that any shifting voting demographics will necessitate constant redrawing of the map
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:30 pm

Derwood wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Pennsylvania's new congressional map is a pretty big deal. The previous map gave Republicans a lock on 13/18 seats against vote totals that would indicate a 9/9 split most years. The new map follows logical demographic and geographic boundaries and lends itself to a 9/9 split in close years.

That's pretty huge for the upcoming midterms. Democrats were hoping to pick up a couple of seats in the state anyway, and now they are almost certain to pick up 4.


PA Republicans are going to challenge the hell out of it. Their angle is that there is no precedent established for "voting fairness" being a requirement for drawing district lines, and that the slippery slope is that any shifting voting demographics will necessitate constant redrawing of the map

...isn't the map fairly commonly redrawn as is?
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:35 pm

DiceMan4221 wrote:
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Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Pennsylvania's new congressional map is a pretty big deal. The previous map gave Republicans a lock on 13/18 seats against vote totals that would indicate a 9/9 split most years. The new map follows logical demographic and geographic boundaries and lends itself to a 9/9 split in close years.

That's pretty huge for the upcoming midterms. Democrats were hoping to pick up a couple of seats in the state anyway, and now they are almost certain to pick up 4.


PA Republicans are going to challenge the hell out of it. Their angle is that there is no precedent established for "voting fairness" being a requirement for drawing district lines, and that the slippery slope is that any shifting voting demographics will necessitate constant redrawing of the map

...isn't the map fairly commonly redrawn as is?


Every 10 years, I believe (after census data is released).
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Postby Brian707 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:35 pm

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Postby Banedon » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:40 pm

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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:43 pm

Derwood wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Pennsylvania's new congressional map is a pretty big deal. The previous map gave Republicans a lock on 13/18 seats against vote totals that would indicate a 9/9 split most years. The new map follows logical demographic and geographic boundaries and lends itself to a 9/9 split in close years.

That's pretty huge for the upcoming midterms. Democrats were hoping to pick up a couple of seats in the state anyway, and now they are almost certain to pick up 4.


PA Republicans are going to challenge the hell out of it. Their angle is that there is no precedent established for "voting fairness" being a requirement for drawing district lines, and that the slippery slope is that any shifting voting demographics will necessitate constant redrawing of the map


I'm never going to take anything for granted, but I'd be pretty shocked if they win. The state supreme court already ruled on it, it's a state constitution issue, and the Supreme Court isn't going to jump in on a state constitution matter to overrule the state supreme court.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:51 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
Derwood wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Pennsylvania's new congressional map is a pretty big deal. The previous map gave Republicans a lock on 13/18 seats against vote totals that would indicate a 9/9 split most years. The new map follows logical demographic and geographic boundaries and lends itself to a 9/9 split in close years.

That's pretty huge for the upcoming midterms. Democrats were hoping to pick up a couple of seats in the state anyway, and now they are almost certain to pick up 4.


PA Republicans are going to challenge the hell out of it. Their angle is that there is no precedent established for "voting fairness" being a requirement for drawing district lines, and that the slippery slope is that any shifting voting demographics will necessitate constant redrawing of the map


I'm never going to take anything for granted, but I'd be pretty shocked if they win. The state supreme court already ruled on it, it's a state constitution issue, and the Supreme Court isn't going to jump in on a state constitution matter to overrule the state supreme court.


The PA Supreme Court leans Democrat, and the PA GOP says they'll file a lawsuit to a federal court.
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Postby Banedon » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:31 pm

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Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
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PA Republicans are going to challenge the hell out of it. Their angle is that there is no precedent established for "voting fairness" being a requirement for drawing district lines, and that the slippery slope is that any shifting voting demographics will necessitate constant redrawing of the map


I'm never going to take anything for granted, but I'd be pretty shocked if they win. The state supreme court already ruled on it, it's a state constitution issue, and the Supreme Court isn't going to jump in on a state constitution matter to overrule the state supreme court.


The PA Supreme Court leans Democrat, and the PA GOP says they'll file a lawsuit to a federal court.


Not sure what jurisdiction a federal court has on a state issue. The political leanings of the PA Supreme Court is irrelevant.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:43 pm

I'm again not taking anything for granted. Maybe there's another Bush v. Gore in this one or something.

But 95 times out of 100, a federal court is going to look at this and say "state constitutional issue, state supreme court ruled, not our problem."
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Banedon wrote:
Derwood wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
I'm never going to take anything for granted, but I'd be pretty shocked if they win. The state supreme court already ruled on it, it's a state constitution issue, and the Supreme Court isn't going to jump in on a state constitution matter to overrule the state supreme court.


The PA Supreme Court leans Democrat, and the PA GOP says they'll file a lawsuit to a federal court.


Not sure what jurisdiction a federal court has on a state issue. The political leanings of the PA Supreme Court is irrelevant.

Yea unless the State SC used federal law to strike it down, which I'm guessing is obviously not the case, why would federal courts step in.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:46 pm

I'm not saying that their lawsuit is just or would work, just that those are the reports
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:03 pm

Derwood wrote:I'm not saying that their lawsuit is just or would work, just that those are the reports


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The justices were advised by Nathan Persily, a Stanford law professor with a background in drawing political district maps. He has previously assisted judges in New York, Connecticut, North Carolina, Georgia and Maryland in redistricting cases.

"We're going to have a Stanford professor come into Pennsylvania, and he's going to act as the prosecutor by presenting the evidence, he's going to act as the juror by evaluating the evidence, and he solely is going to act as a judge by ultimately ruling on the evidence and producing a map — one person — to the court for the people of Pennsylvania to live under," state Senate Majority Leader Jake Corman said in advance of today's announcement.

Republicans also are calling the process foul. The court didn't file its full opinion until two days before the legislature's deadline to submit a compromise map to Wolf.

GOP leaders have said the lack of guidance is the reason they didn't start drawing a map in earnest until 48 hours before it was due — a decision that left them no time to get a vote from the legislature. The map that they ultimately submitted was from the legislature's two GOP leaders.

Statehouse Republicans say the court is usurping the power of the legislative and executive branches, a situation that essentially creates a "constitutional crisis."
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:23 pm

Yes, those people are talking.
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Postby Banedon » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:27 pm

Derwood wrote:
The justices were advised by Nathan Persily, a Stanford law professor with a background in drawing political district maps. He has previously assisted judges in New York, Connecticut, North Carolina, Georgia and Maryland in redistricting cases.

"We're going to have a Stanford professor come into Pennsylvania, and he's going to act as the prosecutor by presenting the evidence, he's going to act as the juror by evaluating the evidence, and he solely is going to act as a judge by ultimately ruling on the evidence and producing a map — one person — to the court for the people of Pennsylvania to live under," state Senate Majority Leader Jake Corman said in advance of today's announcement.

Republicans also are calling the process foul. The court didn't file its full opinion until two days before the legislature's deadline to submit a compromise map to Wolf.

GOP leaders have said the lack of guidance is the reason they didn't start drawing a map in earnest until 48 hours before it was due — a decision that left them no time to get a vote from the legislature. The map that they ultimately submitted was from the legislature's two GOP leaders.

Statehouse Republicans say the court is usurping the power of the legislative and executive branches, a situation that essentially creates a "constitutional crisis."


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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:06 pm

Under the previous map, in 2012, Democrats received 83,000 more votes than Republicans in House elections in PA. This resulted in 13 of 18 seats going to Republicans. It's hard to understate how ridiculous this stuff is.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:15 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Under the previous map, in 2012, Democrats received 83,000 more votes than Republicans in House elections in PA. This resulted in 13 of 18 seats going to Republicans. It's hard to understate how ridiculous this stuff is.

Worth posting again, because voters are doing a good bit of the work here, including in PAs case.

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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:18 pm

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These sort of articles crack me up; "who could have foreseen this awful person with an awkward track record would be awful? Certainly not us! Mea culpa!"
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:20 pm

Yeah, I was shocked at all the sighs of relief when he took over as CoS. I mean, did no one pay attention to what he did during his short tenure as head of DHS? There was no surprise to what he showed himself to be as CoS. It's who he is, a pure Trumpist.
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