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Because shaming Ben Shapiro is always fun.

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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby CubinNY » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:10 pm

The newest Trump rape has not even garnered a statement in Congress or on the campaign trail. The normalization of this monster is perhaps that worst thing that has happened. Why aren't they calling up these women to testify?
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:15 pm

CubinNY wrote:The newest Trump rape has not even garnered a statement in Congress or on the campaign trail. The normalization of this monster is perhaps that worst thing that has happened. Why aren't they calling up these women to testify?


I swear I'm not saying this simply to be a dick: why are you even bothering to ask that? Why would you think offense #3,491 is any more of a breaking point than the 3,490 that came before?
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby CyHawk_Cub » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:20 pm

I dislike even linking to anything Bret Stephens writes, but yeah, this.
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Postby The_Achiever » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:58 pm

Nobody has more consistently wrong-headed, shriek-y and bad faith ideas than Bret Stephens.

Is he employed just to troll the left?
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:34 pm

Trump’s new narrative that he didn’t actually lose the popular vote is setting the foundation for him challenging the results of the 2020 election. Things could get very ugly next November, especially with a party that has no interest in telling him to horsefeathers off
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Just another visual for what many of us have known/assumed since the cuts were passed.

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Postby UMFan83 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:04 pm

Derwood wrote:Trump’s new narrative that he didn’t actually lose the popular vote is setting the foundation for him challenging the results of the 2020 election. Things could get very ugly next November, especially with a party that has no interest in telling him to horsefeathers off


If he goes there will be trouble, and if he stays it will be double.
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Derwood wrote:Trump’s new narrative that he didn’t actually lose the popular vote is setting the foundation for him challenging the results of the 2020 election. Things could get very ugly next November, especially with a party that has no interest in telling him to horsefeathers off


If he goes there will be trouble, and if he stays it will be double.


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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:26 pm

I'm also curious what people who say they're afraid of Trump...doing things to challenge the election results if he loses think he can actually do. Like, it's not some insurmountable obstacle if a president refuses to accept a loss or leave the White House or whatever. Quite the opposite, actually.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:28 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:I'm also curious what people who say they're afraid of Trump...doing things to challenge the election results if he loses think he can actually do. Like, it's not some insurmountable obstacle if a president refuses to accept a loss or leave the White House or whatever. Quite the opposite, actually.

first things first he'd probably hire somebody to pee on all the beds on his last day
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Brian707 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:38 pm

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Sammy Sofa wrote:first things first he'd probably hire somebody to pee on all the beds on his last day



That or do an upper decker
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby The_Achiever » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:43 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:I'm also curious what people who say they're afraid of Trump...doing things to challenge the election results if he loses think he can actually do. Like, it's not some insurmountable obstacle if a president refuses to accept a loss or leave the White House or whatever. Quite the opposite, actually.


I think he'll try anything, regardless of the legal merits. His utter shamelessness is his biggest "strength".

With Bill Barr in charge of the DOJ, I can't rule anything out. These guys will throw their body in front of a Liz Warren or Bernie Sanders presidency.

EDIT: I suppose I mean they will do anything to retain power.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:45 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:I'm also curious what people who say they're afraid of Trump...doing things to challenge the election results if he loses think he can actually do. Like, it's not some insurmountable obstacle if a president refuses to accept a loss or leave the White House or whatever. Quite the opposite, actually.


It's not insurmountable, no. But he can certainly cause a lot of headaches on his way out, cloud the transition process with his bloviating, and otherwise make everything about him in the wake of a loss (and the media will be more than happy to give him as much air time as he wants).

There are more than a few Republican Congress members who would be thrilled to waste a lot of time and money "investigating" the election results for months and months.

So in summary: A national crisis? No. A sizable annoyance? Absolutely
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:58 pm

What's "try anything?" What "headaches?" I genuinely don't understand what ways and means you guys think are available to push off a new president being sworn in.

Like, this isn't something that can just be gummed up by a Senate vote/non-vote, or in the courts on a whim or declaration; it would involve essentially suspending the government as we know it.

I just don't think a lot of people truly understand the scope of the idea that Trump can "do something" to try and stay president if he loses. There's not really anything he can do outside of complaining and bloviating, which he already does anyway.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby The_Achiever » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:07 pm

I could see him attacking another country if he loses the election. Then trying to impose Martial Law, whatever, etc.

Literally nothing is off the table when it comes to this guy, and he will be *desperate* to stay in power. That's all I'm saying.
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:18 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Like, this isn't something that can just be gummed up by a Senate vote/non-vote, or in the courts on a whim or declaration; it would involve essentially suspending the government as we know it.


I am generally with you in what you're saying here, but this is basically what the Oregon GOP is doing right now, no?
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:18 pm

The_Achiever wrote:I could see him attacking another country if he loses the election.


OK...but how would that keep him in office after the election?

Then trying to impose Martial Law, whatever, etc.


That's a pretty loaded "whatever, etc." that's doing a LOT of heavy lifting.

Literally nothing is off the table when it comes to this guy, and he will be *desperate* to stay in power. That's all I'm saying.


Sure, but he can't just will something like this to happen. Like, you mention martial law above, as if it's something he could do like this...

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...which, granted, I'm sure is how he thinks he can, too! But it's something that is tied into military deployment within our borders (and the needed congressional approval) AND the civilian courts being unable to function AND the military taking over for domestic law enforcement, which would be, honestly, a neat trick if he could pull it off...but that seems tremendously unlikely, to say the least.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:22 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Like, this isn't something that can just be gummed up by a Senate vote/non-vote, or in the courts on a whim or declaration; it would involve essentially suspending the government as we know it.


I am generally with you in what you're saying here, but this is basically what the Oregon GOP is doing right now, no?


I'm not sure how a state legislative body walking out on taking a vote on a bill (something that's, in the broad, non-threat of militia sense, actually not that unusual) is applicable to the transfer of a sitting president to the president elect. What would the Republicans in Congress be walking out on, and how it would it stop a president elect from taking office?

Like, yeah, Trump would almost certainly be a dick and intentionally ignore or fart all over the traditional transition protocols, but whatever. Those are largely ceremonial anyway.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby The_Achiever » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:23 pm

LOL, the Michael Scott bankruptcy thing was kind of what I was imagining.

He's just going to make it as ugly and difficult as possible, while breaking as many things as he can. He'll fight it any way he and his enablers can dream up.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm just envisioning a very chaotic time...
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