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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:30 pm

The_Achiever wrote:LOL, the Michael Scott bankruptcy thing was kind of what I was imagining.

He's just going to make it as ugly and difficult as possible, while breaking as many things as he can. He'll fight it any way he and his enablers can dream up.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm just envisioning a very chaotic time...


Sure, the GOP trying to cram through crappy legislation is a genuine concern, but in regards to Trump and co. somehow gumming up the works of the actual transition to a new administration if he loses...there's just not much of anything there. It's pretty much all variations of "old man yells at cloud" unless a Bush vs. Gore-type split occurs both in at least one state and on the national level with the electoral college as it did in 2000.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:30 pm

Nowhere did I say that he could/would extend his term if he lost.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:33 pm

Derwood wrote:Nowhere did I say that he could/would extend his term if he lost.


Then why would you be worried about him "challenging the results?" Like his supporters would be hunky-dory with whoever replaces him if he didn't piss and moan about losing/the new person? How would it be any different to how he melts down over anything and everything already?
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:34 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
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Sammy Sofa wrote:Like, this isn't something that can just be gummed up by a Senate vote/non-vote, or in the courts on a whim or declaration; it would involve essentially suspending the government as we know it.


I am generally with you in what you're saying here, but this is basically what the Oregon GOP is doing right now, no?


I'm not sure how a state legislative body walking out on taking a vote on a bill (something that's, in the broad, non-threat of militia sense, actually not that unusual) is applicable to the transfer of a sitting president to the president elect. What would the Republicans in Congress be walking out on, and how it would it stop a president elect from taking office?

Like, yeah, Trump would almost certainly be a dick and intentionally ignore or fart all over the traditional transition protocols, but whatever. Those are largely ceremonial anyway.


Again, mostly with you, but I was going with the 'ignoring the rules and making law enforcement actually ensure the government thing happens'. E.g. Trump loses, makes up some nonsense about voter fraud in a magic number of states that make up the difference, the Senate refuses to do anything until whatever legal challenge is heard and makes law enforcement physically remove the current administration. I think that would happen far easier than most worriers, but I think there is something to be said about the GOP taking the nuclear procedural option to the extreme wherever they can.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby NOLA » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:34 pm

I don't think there is much Trump can do to try to remain in office unless we have a replay of the 2000 election. The bigger fear, I think, is that he has a call to arms with all the Right Wing militia types. I can see a bunch of MAGA gun nuts intimidating people at polling places in Left leaning districts, or showing up at the inaguaration if Trump loses. Biden is wrong in a lot of ways, but one of the worst is how things will magically change once a Dem gets elected. Trump would be in the media daily basically calling for a coup.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby The_Achiever » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:37 pm

NOLA wrote:I don't think there is much Trump can do to try to remain in office unless we have a replay of the 2000 election. The bigger fear, I think, is that he has a call to arms with all the Right Wing militia types. I can see a bunch of MAGA gun nuts intimidating people at polling places in Left leaning districts, or showing up at the inaguaration if Trump loses. Biden is wrong in a lot of ways, but one of the worst is how things will magically change once a Dem gets elected. Trump would be in the media daily basically calling for a coup.


And he's already been floating the "more than 2 terms" kind of thinking. Frankly I'll be surprised if he doesn't somehow contest the results.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:40 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Again, mostly with you, but I was going with the 'ignoring the rules and making law enforcement actually ensure the government thing happens'. E.g. Trump loses, makes up some nonsense about voter fraud in a magic number of states that make up the difference, the Senate refuses to do anything until whatever legal challenge is heard and makes law enforcement physically remove the current administration. I think that would happen far easier than most worriers, but I think there is something to be said about the GOP taking the nuclear procedural option to the extreme wherever they can.


Honestly, like with some of the other posts, that's a LOT of hand-waving in that proposed scenario. Like, Gore vs. Bush didn't happen in a vacuum; it was piggybacked on legally required and automatically triggered actions in the wake of razor-thin margin of victory with the votes in that state (and then compounded by how evenly split the EC was). Trump can't just scream "FRRRAWWWWWWD" over a couple of states, and then magically legal challenges that actually hold up anything just occur.

I get it; he's awful, and he says a lot of awful things, and he's flouted a ton of the "rules" of government that ultimately hinge on someone not being a delusional asshat. But that, fortunately, doesn't really apply to the transition to a new president if he loses. The guy could rag doll and refuse to get up from the desk in the oval office and it wouldn't matter.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:43 pm

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NOLA wrote:I don't think there is much Trump can do to try to remain in office unless we have a replay of the 2000 election. The bigger fear, I think, is that he has a call to arms with all the Right Wing militia types. I can see a bunch of MAGA gun nuts intimidating people at polling places in Left leaning districts, or showing up at the inaguaration if Trump loses. Biden is wrong in a lot of ways, but one of the worst is how things will magically change once a Dem gets elected. Trump would be in the media daily basically calling for a coup.


And he's already been floating the "more than 2 terms" kind of thinking. Frankly I'll be surprised if he doesn't somehow contest the results.


The former doesn't matter; he legally couldn't run, and any votes for him wouldn't even be counted. And presidential election results are not easily contested.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:45 pm

He was setting up this narrative in 2016 (the election will be illegitimate, watch out for voter intimidation at the booths, etc.), only nothing came of it because he won (and no one was more surprised than him). I guarantee had he lost the EC by 1 or 2 votes that he would have spent months challenging things and tying up the courts.

Why are you so dismissive of a maniac doing maniac things?
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:51 pm

Derwood wrote:He was setting up this narrative in 2016 (the election will be illegitimate, watch out for voter intimidation at the booths, etc.), only nothing came of it because he won (and no one was more surprised than him). I guarantee had he lost the EC by 1 or 2 votes that he would have spent months challenging things and tying up the courts.

Why are you so dismissive of a maniac doing maniac things?


Because there are lots of things he can't just will into happening, no matter how terrible and/or crazy he is.

And inexplicably acting like only someone as crazy as Trump would look to challenge a bizarrely minuscule EC deficit like that is, quite frankly, pretty damn nuts in and of itself (especially since it seemingly ignores/forgets that electoral votes come in blocs).
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby UK » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:39 pm

I'd save the outrage for when someone claims to have been groped by Biden and have it grab the headlines only to have it be a hoax.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:46 am



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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:03 pm

Candidate match tool:

https://www.isidewith.com/

You can expand each category to have it ask you more questions, if you choose "other stances" it will expand your options beyond either yes or no, and you can rank each one in terms of importance. Still pretty broad, sure, but it's a thing.
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Postby Banedon » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:08 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Candidate match tool:

https://www.isidewith.com/

You can expand each category to have it ask you more questions, if you choose "other stances" it will expand your options beyond either yes or no, and you can rank each one in terms of importance. Still pretty broad, sure, but it's a thing.


A little weird that it's still showing 2016 candidates on the front page.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:33 pm

Banedon wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Candidate match tool:

https://www.isidewith.com/

You can expand each category to have it ask you more questions, if you choose "other stances" it will expand your options beyond either yes or no, and you can rank each one in terms of importance. Still pretty broad, sure, but it's a thing.


A little weird that it's still showing 2016 candidates on the front page.


They don't show up in the results, so whatever.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:39 pm

I got Tucker Carlson...

97% with Elizabeth Warren
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:53 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Candidate match tool:

https://www.isidewith.com/

You can expand each category to have it ask you more questions, if you choose "other stances" it will expand your options beyond either yes or no, and you can rank each one in terms of importance. Still pretty broad, sure, but it's a thing.


Klobuchar, Gillibrand, Williamson(who I've never heard of)
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby squally1313 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:00 pm

96% Beto, somehow. Didn't realize he had that many policy viewpoints on record. Castro/Warren at 95%.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby cl smooth » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:03 pm

98% sanders
97% warren

100% pure love.
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:21 pm

Were everyone else's results really tightly bunched, or do I just have really milquetoast opinions? Hard to tell much when I have 8 candidates between 94 and 97%. I was surprised to see Klobuchar as the #1 though, narrowly above Warren, Booker(?), and Sanders.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:24 pm

Huh. Was not expecting Harris as my technical top pick at all.

91% Harris
91% Warren
91% Sanders
90% Castro
90% O'Rourke
88% Buttigieg
88% Booker

79% Biden

15% Trump

Political Party:
91% Socialist
87% Democrat
86% Peace & Freedom (the what now?)
85% Green
28% Libertarian
12% Republican
12% Constitution
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:25 pm

They were fairly bunched, but my numbers appear way lower than everyone else's. Klobuchar was tops at 88%
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