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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:28 am

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Health care and defense spending. And Pete's still in the BS candidate phase where he should be blowing smoke up everyone's ass, and he doesn't even bother with that sometimes.

Isn't Pete backing universal health care, though where people can keep their provider if they choose? How is that right of Obama?


As Liberal as he gets with health care is what we got under Obama. That's his STARTING POINT. He's already opposed to Medicare for All plans, and keeping private options in a way that resembles what we have now is a horsefeathering scam. Read up on how private options in socialized countries actually work; it sure as horsefeathers ain't what we have, and when Democratic candidates talk about keeping private insurance, they're talking about coddling the current insurance industry as much as they can get away with it. It's a HUGE red flag.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Tim » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:38 am

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Health care and defense spending. And Pete's still in the BS candidate phase where he should be blowing smoke up everyone's ass, and he doesn't even bother with that sometimes.

Isn't Pete backing universal health care, though where people can keep their provider if they choose? How is that right of Obama?


As Liberal as he gets with health care is what we got under Obama. That's his STARTING POINT. He's already opposed to Medicare for All plans, and keeping private options in a way that resembles what we have now is a horsefeathering scam. Read up on how private options in socialized countries actually work; it sure as horsefeathers ain't what we have, and when Democratic candidates talk about keeping private insurance, they're talking about coddling the current insurance industry as much as they can get away with it. It's a HUGE red flag.

So...the short version is he's not right of Obama on health care (nor is he left).

What is it about defense spending that he's "right" on?
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:41 am

Tim wrote:
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Tim wrote:Isn't Pete backing universal health care, though where people can keep their provider if they choose? How is that right of Obama?


As Liberal as he gets with health care is what we got under Obama. That's his STARTING POINT. He's already opposed to Medicare for All plans, and keeping private options in a way that resembles what we have now is a horsefeathering scam. Read up on how private options in socialized countries actually work; it sure as horsefeathers ain't what we have, and when Democratic candidates talk about keeping private insurance, they're talking about coddling the current insurance industry as much as they can get away with it. It's a HUGE red flag.

So...the short version is he's not right of Obama on health care (nor is he left).


Jesus Christ. His best case scenario healthcare-wise is shaping up to be second term Obama, but OK, chalk that one up in your win column if it makes you feel better, I guess. What we have now (and then) is horsefeathering BROKEN.

What is it about defense spending that he's "right" on?


He wants to increase it. He's open about supporting interventionism.

Again, his starting point is the Centrist Obama we ended up with, who shifted from Left to Right once he was in office. Why the holy horsefeathers should anyone feel good about a guy trying to be the Democratic nominee who is will be starting at the point Last Day Obama was at?
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:43 am

I don't remember who here voiced the "he's just being a centrist in the Dem primary. He'll move to the left in the general" idea, but when I read it, I snorted noodles out of my nose, had to go to the restroom to recover, and forgot to respond with a snarky gif. I'm tickled by the idea that a candidate is running so far to the right of the dem field that the assumpion (a pretty poor assumption) is that he'll move to the left in the general...and that we should just let him do his thing without critisism in the meantime. If he wins the primany, I'll easily vote for him. Big, big difference from doing it happily.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:44 am

I just realized I'm responding to the guy who has said here in the past he wants to/wishes he could vote Republican.

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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:45 am

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:I don't remember who here voiced the "he's just being a centrist in the Dem primary. He'll move to the left in the general" idea, but when I read it, I snorted noodles out of my nose, had to go to the restroom to recover, and forgot to respond with a snarky gif. I'm tickled by the idea that a candidate is running so far to the right of the dem field that the assumpion (a pretty poor assumption) is that he'll move to the left in the general...and that we should just let him do his thing without critisism in the meantime. If he wins the primany, I'll easily vote for him. Big, big difference from doing it happily.


Exactly. Right now is when everyone should DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG HIM in the hopes that we end up with a better option.

Maybe not so hot take: I'm kinda thinking Biden wouldn't almost definitely be a better option than Buttigieg. I can't believe it's gotten to that point...but yeah.
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Postby Tim » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:45 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:I just realized I'm responding to the guy who has said here in the past he wants to/wishes he could vote Republican.

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I think that's a pretty poor recollection of what I've said.
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Postby Tim » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:54 am

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:I don't remember who here voiced the "he's just being a centrist in the Dem primary. He'll move to the left in the general" idea, but when I read it, I snorted noodles out of my nose, had to go to the restroom to recover, and forgot to respond with a snarky gif. I'm tickled by the idea that a candidate is running so far to the right of the dem field that the assumpion (a pretty poor assumption) is that he'll move to the left in the general...and that we should just let him do his thing without critisism in the meantime. If he wins the primany, I'll easily vote for him. Big, big difference from doing it happily.

Warren and Sanders are far left of him. I don't really think the rest of the field is all that far left. After all, Biden, Bloomberg, Steyer, Bullock, Bennet, Patrick are/were all in the same general lane. Klobuchar & Booker aren't that far left of him, either.

So I'm not really sure it's fair to say that he's running "so far to the right of the field"
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:58 am

Tim wrote:
JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:I don't remember who here voiced the "he's just being a centrist in the Dem primary. He'll move to the left in the general" idea, but when I read it, I snorted noodles out of my nose, had to go to the restroom to recover, and forgot to respond with a snarky gif. I'm tickled by the idea that a candidate is running so far to the right of the dem field that the assumpion (a pretty poor assumption) is that he'll move to the left in the general...and that we should just let him do his thing without critisism in the meantime. If he wins the primany, I'll easily vote for him. Big, big difference from doing it happily.

Warren and Sanders are far left of him. I don't really think the rest of the field is all that far left. After all, Biden, Bloomberg, Steyer, Bullock, Bennet, Patrick are/were all in the same general lane. Klobuchar & Booker aren't that far left of him, either.

So I'm not really sure it's fair to say that he's running "so far to the right of the field"

Then the assumption is even MORE ridiculous. That a candidate running close to the center of the Dem field will then turn LEFT when they run in the general. Its not an Overton Window, if that's the case. Its a Overton Mobius Strip.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Tim » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:02 am

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
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JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:I don't remember who here voiced the "he's just being a centrist in the Dem primary. He'll move to the left in the general" idea, but when I read it, I snorted noodles out of my nose, had to go to the restroom to recover, and forgot to respond with a snarky gif. I'm tickled by the idea that a candidate is running so far to the right of the dem field that the assumpion (a pretty poor assumption) is that he'll move to the left in the general...and that we should just let him do his thing without critisism in the meantime. If he wins the primany, I'll easily vote for him. Big, big difference from doing it happily.

Warren and Sanders are far left of him. I don't really think the rest of the field is all that far left. After all, Biden, Bloomberg, Steyer, Bullock, Bennet, Patrick are/were all in the same general lane. Klobuchar & Booker aren't that far left of him, either.

So I'm not really sure it's fair to say that he's running "so far to the right of the field"

Then the assumption is even MORE ridiculous. That a candidate running close to the center of the Dem field will then turn LEFT when they run in the general. Its not an Overton Window, if that's the case. Its a Overton Mobius Strip.

That wasn't me and I think it's wrong.

I believe the theory, though, was that he's actually more liberal than what he's been positioning, but he moved towards the center because Sanders/Warren were taking up all the air on the left. I don't buy the premise or the resulting argument from it, though.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:07 am

Tim wrote:
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Tim wrote:Warren and Sanders are far left of him. I don't really think the rest of the field is all that far left. After all, Biden, Bloomberg, Steyer, Bullock, Bennet, Patrick are/were all in the same general lane. Klobuchar & Booker aren't that far left of him, either.

So I'm not really sure it's fair to say that he's running "so far to the right of the field"

Then the assumption is even MORE ridiculous. That a candidate running close to the center of the Dem field will then turn LEFT when they run in the general. Its not an Overton Window, if that's the case. Its a Overton Mobius Strip.

That wasn't me and I think it's wrong.

I believe the theory, though, was that he's actually more liberal than what he's been positioning, but he moved towards the center because Sanders/Warren were taking up all the air on the left. I don't buy the premise or the resulting argument from it, though.

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Postby Tim » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:15 am

Now I'm curious what sneaky posted and then deleted.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:39 am

Tim wrote:Now I'm curious what sneaky posted and then deleted.

I can only imagine that he posted that Yang has picked up the endorsement of a former classmate of mine, and prominant nerdcore rapper, YTCracker. His candidacy is now inevitable.
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:04 am

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Maybe not so hot take: I'm kinda thinking Biden wouldn't almost definitely be a better option than Buttigieg. I can't believe it's gotten to that point...but yeah.

Heh, my best friend (an avowed socialist) and I had this discussion over the weekend. He was ill by the end of it.

Gun to my head today, I'd roll with Biden as he at least has established African-American support.
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Postby sneakypower » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:42 am

Tim wrote:Now I'm curious what sneaky posted and then deleted.

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The horsefeathering balls on this guy. Holy horsefeathers. We are [expletive] doomed.
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If they’re already releasing internal polling (of my district no less) it’s looking extremely bad for them.
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Postby Derwood » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:35 pm

All polling at this point (from the primaries on down) is dumb and unhelpful. A million things will change in the next 11 months, but the number of people (in the media, on Facebook, etc.) breathlessly hanging on every new % shift is exhausting
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Derwood wrote:All polling at this point (from the primaries on down) is dumb and unhelpful.


This is demonstrably and hilariously untrue.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:54 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Derwood wrote:All polling at this point (from the primaries on down) is dumb and unhelpful.


This is demonstrably and hilariously untrue.

I'll at least give him that just looking at a single poll here and there is dumb and probably often harmful. Most often, its the outlier polls that get reported on and generate buzz.
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JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
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Derwood wrote:All polling at this point (from the primaries on down) is dumb and unhelpful.


This is demonstrably and hilariously untrue.

I'll at least give him that just looking at a single poll here and there is dumb and probably often harmful. Most often, its the outlier polls that get reported on and generate buzz.


If he had stopped at something, like, "head to head polls against Trump are mostly useless at this point," OK, but dude quadrupled down with "ALL POLLS ARE BAD AND USELESS," and I laughed and laughed and laughed.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:03 pm

I don't understand how Mayor Pete went from the only guy talking about statehood for DC and PR to balance out the Senate to telling everyone that deficits don't matter to Democrats.
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Postby Derwood » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:09 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Derwood wrote:All polling at this point (from the primaries on down) is dumb and unhelpful.


This is demonstrably and hilariously untrue.


How is polling on November congressional races in any way useful or relevant in December? It's the equivalent of the dumb baseball projections that people here go on and on about. What possible predictive power do these polls have this far out?
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