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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby jersey cubs fan » Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:16 pm

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Tim wrote:Isn't Pete backing universal health care, though where people can keep their provider if they choose? How is that right of Obama?


As Liberal as he gets with health care is what we got under Obama. That's his STARTING POINT. He's already opposed to Medicare for All plans, and keeping private options in a way that resembles what we have now is a horsefeathering scam. Read up on how private options in socialized countries actually work; it sure as horsefeathers ain't what we have, and when Democratic candidates talk about keeping private insurance, they're talking about coddling the current insurance industry as much as they can get away with it. It's a HUGE red flag.

So...the short version is he's not right of Obama on health care (nor is he left).

What is it about defense spending that he's "right" on?

No. Obama wanted a hell of a lot more than Pete is striving for. He ended up with what he got because he had to end up there in negotiations, that's not what he wanted. Pete is striving for going back a couple years. No progress.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:26 am

On a lighter and non-political current event note:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -inventory

Canada Goose Holdings Inc. will open a retail space in a Toronto mall this week, but calling it a store might be a stretch.

There is no product inventory in what the company has dubbed “The Journey,” but visitors can try on the brand’s $1,000 parkas in a snow-filled room that dips down to -12 degrees Celsius (10 degrees Fahrenheit). That comes after “The Crevasse,” which mimics traversing an icy rock face, and then being treated to 4K video walls of Canadian landscapes. The experience ends with an employee, who’s been acting as a personal tour guide, helping the customer shop online via touchscreen.


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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby The Logan » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:13 pm

Question I don't know the answer to:

As the GOP continues to stuff the courts with right wing nutjob judges, are those judges subject to removal if Democratic leadership takes over or are those permanent positions?
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:15 pm

The Logan wrote:Question I don't know the answer to:

As the GOP continues to stuff the federal courts with right wing nutjob judges, are those judges subject to removal if Democratic leadership takes over or are those permanent positions?

They are permenent, impeachment and death being the only removal options.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby The Logan » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:16 pm

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
The Logan wrote:Question I don't know the answer to:

As the GOP continues to stuff the federal courts with right wing nutjob judges, are those judges subject to removal if Democratic leadership takes over or are those permanent positions?

They are permenent, impeachment and death being the only removal options.


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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:26 pm

Its been part of the GOP stradegy during the Obama admin to refuse judicial nominations, so there were plenty to fill once Donny got elected
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:44 pm

And they are hand selecting the most vile, reprehensible, unqualified people they can find
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:42 am

It sucks that a good monthly jobs report is so damn depressing.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby The_Achiever » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:31 pm

UMFan83 wrote:https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1203684215772123139?s=21


I admit I was a fan of Crazy Uncle VP Biden. I fell for the propaganda, whatever.

It's not a stretch to say I just horsefeathering hate this guy and probably always should have.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:22 am

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UMFan83 wrote:https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1203684215772123139?s=21


I admit I was a fan of Crazy Uncle VP Biden. I fell for the propaganda, whatever.

It's not a stretch to say I just horsefeathering hate this guy and probably always should have.

There might have been a time where he wasn't that bad. I liked some of what he had to say in the debates back in 2004, and then he got nailed plagarizing stuff, past and present, and his campaign went away. For being outed as a fruad 16 years ago, he sure has some weird staying power. Speaking of which, my summer job in 2004 was door-to-door fundraising for the DNC. Easily the worst job I've ever had, and I had some doozies. The election later that year just made it that much worse.

Btw, when I Googled "2004 Democratic Primary Biden" I found this:
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/12/08/joe-biden-and-john-kerry-together-in-new-hampshire-no-good-no-good-at-all/

And this:
https://prospect.org/power/democrats-should-heed-the-lessons-of-2004/
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:39 pm

Republicans are coming in hot at this hearing
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby The Logan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:23 pm

This is pretty big.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic- ... story.html

A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable.

The documents were generated by a federal project examining the root failures of the longest armed conflict in U.S. history. They include more than 2,000 pages of previously unpublished notes of interviews with people who played a direct role in the war, from generals and diplomats to aid workers and Afghan officials.

The U.S. government tried to shield the identities of the vast majority of those interviewed for the project and conceal nearly all of their remarks. The Post won release of the documents under the Freedom of Information Act after a three-year legal battle.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:30 pm

"The government lies to keep us in perpetual war to feed the military-industrial machine" is one of those horrible truths about our society that are baked into our collective cognitive map so we just kind of shrug and go with it.
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Postby biittner77 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:39 pm

The Logan wrote:This is pretty big.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic- ... story.html

A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable.

The documents were generated by a federal project examining the root failures of the longest armed conflict in U.S. history. They include more than 2,000 pages of previously unpublished notes of interviews with people who played a direct role in the war, from generals and diplomats to aid workers and Afghan officials.

The U.S. government tried to shield the identities of the vast majority of those interviewed for the project and conceal nearly all of their remarks. The Post won release of the documents under the Freedom of Information Act after a three-year legal battle.


Change Afghanistan to Vietnam and it's pretty much the same story from the Nixon administration. https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam- ... gon-papers
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Postby CubInOK » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:53 pm



I have absolutely no idea what this means. I can’t follow all of the scandals at once anymore.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby CubinNY » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:13 pm

This country is horsefeathers for years. 46% of the armed forces say Russia should be our ally. Who would have guessed all they needed to do was buy a demagogue?

https://www.voanews.com/usa/pentagon-co ... -us-troops
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Postby The_Achiever » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:23 pm

CubinNY wrote:This country is horsefeathers for years. 46% of the armed forces say Russia should be our ally. Who would have guessed all they needed to do was buy a demagogue?

https://www.voanews.com/usa/pentagon-co ... -us-troops


I know the trend is bad but that less than half of the military are taking their geopolitical cues from the "Commander in Chief" seems like an ok thing. I'm guessing there are plenty of grunts who would happily take a bullet for Trump but the ones near the top know he's full of horsefeathers.
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