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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:32 pm

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CubinNY wrote:Both Clinton and Obama were institutional Democrats. The progressive wing of the party died out in the 70s and 80s and was replaced by Democrats aligned with and supported by the same monied interests as the Republicans. Citizens United has exacerbated the problem. I don't know how anything will change in the short or long term. Trump presents a unique challenge, but he will be gone soon. There are much smarter people like him waiting in the wings. The United States has course-corrected back to the system that was in place before FDR. Only some outside event will change it.


Dude, this is some deliberately obtuse wankery. Again, despite how their presidencies ended up, both Clinton and Obama ran as young, progressive candidates. To say they ran and won their first terms as "institutional Democrats" is complete revisionist horse horsefeathers.

Clinton did not run as a progressive candidate.


If you look at it through the lens of today? No, he did not. In the context of '91-'92, he most definitely did. Clinton didn't win on the backs of people thinking, "y'know, that guy really reminds me of Dick Gebhart or Joe Biden." The main rhetorical push that got him elected the first time was just as hopey and changey as anything Obama put out there.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby NOLA » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:01 pm

In 1992 Bill Clinton was as outsidery and Progressive as it got, both in viable politics and perception.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby cl smooth » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:06 pm

how quickly we forget that he didn't inhale, played the sax and catered to the mtv generation.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Tim » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:08 pm

To me, the early stage for the dems was overflowing with young, diverse and intelligent candidates who generally had exceptional backgrounds and qualifications. Most all of them would have been the most progressive nominee the dems would have ever put forward for president. I don't think the party is lacking in voices. I think the twin forces of risk aversion and "revolution" purity quickly winnowed out candidates that I would have been much happier with than either Sanders or Biden.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:39 pm

NOLA wrote:
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NOLA wrote: Wrigley's point is important-Dems have won twice but lost the election on the stupid EC.


Boo-hoo; they still lost. You know who didn't lose, and it didn't have to come down to that risky margin? Bill Clinton and Obama. horsefeathering, adding Gore only just emphasizes the point that playing it safe is kicking themselves in the dick.

Not disagreeing at all, but Gore did win the popular vote and probably would have crushed W in the EC as well if he weren't such a derp who claimed to invent the internet and the LOCKBOX nonsense.


Gore lost because the impeachment scared him away from riding on Clinton's coattails into an easy win
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby NOLA » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:46 pm

Tim wrote:To me, the early stage for the dems was overflowing with young, diverse and intelligent candidates who generally had exceptional backgrounds and qualifications. Most all of them would have been the most progressive nominee the dems would have ever put forward for president. I don't think the party is lacking in voices. I think the twin forces of risk aversion and "revolution" purity quickly winnowed out candidates that I would have been much happier with than either Sanders or Biden.

The Crooked Media guys were talking about this a little regarding Warren. In any other election they might have been more viable, but Trump is overwhelmingly the most important factor this time. Obama never would have been the nominee this cycle.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby NOLA » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:48 pm

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Boo-hoo; they still lost. You know who didn't lose, and it didn't have to come down to that risky margin? Bill Clinton and Obama. horsefeathering, adding Gore only just emphasizes the point that playing it safe is kicking themselves in the dick.

Not disagreeing at all, but Gore did win the popular vote and probably would have crushed W in the EC as well if he weren't such a derp who claimed to invent the internet and the LOCKBOX nonsense.


Gore lost because the impeachment scared him away from riding on Clinton's coattails into an easy win

True, but he really did trip on his dick a few times. For as good a pure politician that Bill was, everyone around him has been awful at politics.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:43 pm

Related to this conversation, I thought this was an interesting, if not definitive, angle on why we're already guaranteed to have the oldest president ever:



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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:49 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Related to this conversation, I thought this was an interesting, if not definitive, angle on why we're already guaranteed to have the oldest president ever:



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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby sneakypower » Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:57 pm

NOLA wrote:In 1992 Bill Clinton was as outsidery and Progressive as it got, both in viable politics and perception.

which is a little funny to consider

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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby CyHawk_Cub » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:20 pm

Back to regular GOP programming after a singular detour

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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:01 pm

sneakypower wrote:
NOLA wrote:In 1992 Bill Clinton was as outsidery and Progressive as it got, both in viable politics and perception.

which is a little funny to consider

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in 1992, the big deal with Clinton was that he was from the South.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby NOLA » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:13 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
sneakypower wrote:
NOLA wrote:In 1992 Bill Clinton was as outsidery and Progressive as it got, both in viable politics and perception.

which is a little funny to consider

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in 1992, the big deal with Clinton was that he was from the South.

Yeah, but he did a great job of selling himself as redneck JFK. I’ve seen him speak several times as my governor, and he’s just really good at politics.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby The_Achiever » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:42 am

Trump is really going to enjoy dump trucking Obama’s Vp.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:47 am

Biden sucks, but I still don't understand the hand-wringing over debating Trump. Nobody can actually debate Trump.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby The_Achiever » Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:14 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:Biden sucks, but I still don't understand the hand-wringing over debating Trump. Nobody can actually debate Trump.


My comment was about the election in general. He’ll just keep asking him about Hunter and sniffing at the debate.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby CyHawk_Cub » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:02 am

Does this make Jordan more electable? Just wondering. The GOP base gets more grotesque by the day. "Elect all the monsters to own the libs!" might be a thing.

Not even feeling like I'm of the same species as 90% of my extended family is....well, I can't even articulate it really. I feel depressed about this is all I can say.

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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Regular Show » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:23 pm

I don't know how many people noticed, but #LetTulsiDebate was trending on twitter lol.

What a horsefeathering joke... I believe many of those tweets were from bots/fake accounts, like this:
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Re: Politics & Current Events

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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:54 pm

If Bloomberg wants to keep spending money, I'm down with him producing anti-Trump ads for the next 6 months
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Re: Politics & Current Events

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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:30 am

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The idea that anyone should be holding back against the Trump kids in the name of some kind of decorum is the most ridiculous thing I think I've read on this site this year, and that's saying a whole heck of a lot.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby CubinNY » Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:21 am

Local media guy just tweeted that Trump is going to try to fight the spread of the coronavirus through accounting fraud.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

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