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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:15 pm

abuck1220 wrote:maybe i’m desperately looking for optimism (and overestimating the american voter), but i think ramming a nominee through maybe hurts trump and republicans in the election.


Objectively, I mean, it's bad but the court was already leaning conservative and it certainly has the base fired up in ways that Biden could never have dreamed of.

It's just such a gut punch emotionally. I know that a major intentional tactic of fascism is to be so gleefully hypocritical that you want to give up, but it's working.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:15 am

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abuck1220 wrote:maybe i’m desperately looking for optimism (and overestimating the american voter), but i think ramming a nominee through maybe hurts trump and republicans in the election.


Objectively, I mean, it's bad but the court was already leaning conservative and it certainly has the base fired up in ways that Biden could never have dreamed of.

It's just such a gut punch emotionally. I know that a major intentional tactic of fascism is to be so gleefully hypocritical that you want to give up, but it's working.


Yeah, guns and abortions and taxes are the lynch pins of what keeps a a conservative voter a Republican, and that this can so easily be sold as THE move to ultimately ban abortion, regardless of the reality of that or not, is such a huge motivator for conservative voters, especially those few who might have been on the fence about voting for Trump.
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Postby NonProfitCow » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:47 am

abuck1220 wrote:maybe i’m desperately looking for optimism (and overestimating the american voter), but i think ramming a nominee through maybe hurts trump and republicans in the election.

I really don't see how unless you're naive enough to believe that undecided voters exist.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:07 am

Best political ad ever?

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:15 am

TruffleShuffle wrote:https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1307493830464241664

What the hell.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:16 am

horsefeathering Grassley and Ernst, Kim Reynolds and Steve King too. There are a lot of things to like about Iowa. Politics ain’t one of them.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby TruffleShuffle » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:31 am

WrigleyField 22 wrote:
TruffleShuffle wrote:https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1307493830464241664

What the hell.


he's an 87 year old who's lost most of his marbles and is trying to use social media. he's basically what the trump campaign is trying to make biden out to be - a senile useless fool who has no business holding a powerful position in public life.
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Postby NOLA » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:40 am



Crickets so far from TLP.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:46 am

NOLA wrote:https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1307386918905106433?s=21

Crickets so far from TLP.

For whatever it is "worth" they dropped a formal statement and new Lindsey Graham ad in the past 2 hours.

Not sure why it took them a day and don't particularly care. They are what they are.
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NOLA wrote:https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1307386918905106433?s=21

Crickets so far from TLP.



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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:08 am

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
abuck1220 wrote:maybe i’m desperately looking for optimism (and overestimating the american voter), but i think ramming a nominee through maybe hurts trump and republicans in the election.


Objectively, I mean, it's bad but the court was already leaning conservative and it certainly has the base fired up in ways that Biden could never have dreamed of.

It's just such a gut punch emotionally. I know that a major intentional tactic of fascism is to be so gleefully hypocritical that you want to give up, but it's working.

If you are pinning on chance, then yes you would lose

Vote, and scream your vote
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Postby TruffleShuffle » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:18 am

i think people were mad at the lincoln project people for supporting kavanaugh's confirmation, but that was a lot more typical republican president replacing a right-leaning justice in the middle of a term. putting a new justice on now is just rank hypocrisy and will likely lead to the elimination of the filibuster and democratic court packing, if they're able to win the senate and presidency. that's pretty much exactly the type of stuff that the lincoln project people want to avoid.

i get that a lot of people hate their views on horsefeathers like the iraq war and abortion and kavanaugh and what not, but they've been pretty consistent on their message that the trump gop is a fundemental danger to democracy and government institutions, so i'm not sure why people thought they would just roll over and cheer on whoever trump (and by trump i mean mcconnell and the federalist society) chooses for the supreme court.
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Postby UK » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:21 am

abuck1220 wrote:maybe i’m desperately looking for optimism (and overestimating the american voter), but i think ramming a nominee through maybe hurts trump and republicans in the election.


Given there are two GOP rapists in the SC and nothing of consequence to show, they're not the ones being hurt.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby CyHawk_Cub » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:34 pm

horsefeathers off, you quitter.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:37 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:horsefeathers off, you quitter.

I believe he was on the judiciary committee at the time as well. How about taking a stand against the ridiculous notion at the time that a president in their last term shouldn't fill a SC seat.
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:38 pm

As one does as a member of a cult.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:28 am

So what do you all think about the House potentially opening up Impeachment hearings into Barr, and potentially Trump again (which sounds like it has some smoke)? Sounds like it could happen. Is this really a ploy to try and change the course of the SC nomination or just something they feel just is good for the election?
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Postby The_Achiever » Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:15 am

Stuff like truffle just posted is so dispiriting. I unfollowed every pol talker on twitter and had like 2 blissful days before the RGB thing which made it impossible to ignore.

However, maybe this will finally be the impetus for the Democrats to fight fire with fire.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:10 pm

TruffleShuffle wrote:https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1307707918809288704?s=21

While there are some far reaching improvements that would require constitutional approval, there are incrimental improvements that can be made with just congressional action. I tend to agree that I don't see these happening soon, but there's way more buzz about packing the courts then I thought I'd see. So maybe there's hope for the Dems to take up serious structural reform agenda that go beyond simple policy advancements.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:43 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:
TruffleShuffle wrote:https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1307707918809288704?s=21

While there are some far reaching improvements that would require constitutional approval, there are incrimental improvements that can be made with just congressional action. I tend to agree that I don't see these happening soon, but there's way more buzz about packing the courts then I thought I'd see. So maybe there's hope for the Dems to take up serious structural reform agenda that go beyond simple policy advancements.

Quoting myself.

For example if the Dems voted to increase the house of representatives such that it more accurately represented a proportional allocation, the GOP would probably NEVER EVER hold the house again with their current platform. But that entails house members weakening their own relative power.

Statehood for DC has rightly fully gotten a lot of talk, and its merits extends beyond balancing power, but increasing the size of the house is right up there in terms of its own merits and I think if you can message right from the start to get over the immediate "moar guvment = bad" thought, it actually may be an easier sell to a broader audience.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby CubinNY » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:18 pm

According to a new poll Biden is up by 3 points on Trump in Georgia.

Georgia.
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