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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby CubinNY » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:48 pm

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I thought about this a bunch, almost replied a few times but at the end of the day I can't or at least not to this point. His audience is very low and there's no way a facebook argument is going to convince him he's a moron. He's literally the most stubborn person I've ever met even before all this so I pick and choose my battles with him. He's done a lot for me (obviously) so I have to find a way to reconcile his support of a president who has harmed all other Americans to some degree.

Completely understand if others feel a lot differently but my childhood was extremely volatile and he was the one stable thing in it so that's just how I choose to feel about the situation.


I'm hoping if Biden is elected the corruption of Trump and those around him can be exposed, it may not work with your father. But, if what the GOP is all about is finally laid bare in simplest most understandable manner it'll open some people's eyes.


Dems need to change the paradigm. Someone said above - take back the flag. The GOP has managed to convince many that the Dems are anti-American when the opposite is more true. They need to change the conversation from guns and abortion to healthcare and the corruption of the GOP.

Yeah, I had a long and rambling post about the term pro-life that I didn't post on here. The Democrats have let the GOP control the language for as long as I can remember. There is nothing pro-life about forcing a woman to have a child and then not offering high-quality medical care, support for nutrition and safe housing, a living wage to support the child, high-quality early childhood education, and on and on.

The flag stuff is not as important to me, because it's just a symbol and Democrats have the flag in the background all the time. They just don't try to hump it. I'd rather not have flag humping Democrats. I'd rather they talk more about the right to vote, wages, and living standards.

I don't really know what to do about the covert and overt racism other than calling them out on it.

For guns, they should put insurance companies in the mix and require gun insurance. They should work on the margins like the GOP has on abortion, and like the government has on tobacco. They should tax ammunition and accessories beyond normal sales tax. They should require proof of gun safety classes and gun safes for storage for any purchase of a firearm. In short, they should drastically increase the cost of gun ownership. I'm a gun owner and avid hunter. I can't even find any ammunition for hunting this year. I personally know people who have over 5,000 rounds of ammunition that is going to sit and rust. They need to be smarter and attack them in the wallet.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Soul » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:41 pm

Favre endorses Trump.

Oh no, how do I change my vote to Trump, I made a mistake.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Guancous » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:42 pm

The Logan wrote:
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The Logan wrote:Maybe I'm not as brushed up on my Democratic policies as I thought, but...

Everyone gets a lawyer? This a new one to me. Is Trump just spouting nonsense or misinterpreting something entirely different to make it sound negative?


If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you


I think they’re just salty about Miranda rights and due process.

Does Biden have some kind of legal reform policy plan that bolsters public defenders or something that I missed? Or did he seriously just manifest public defenders into a political topic when literally no one was talking about it?
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:46 pm

CubinNY wrote:
stitchface wrote:
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I'm hoping if Biden is elected the corruption of Trump and those around him can be exposed, it may not work with your father. But, if what the GOP is all about is finally laid bare in simplest most understandable manner it'll open some people's eyes.


Dems need to change the paradigm. Someone said above - take back the flag. The GOP has managed to convince many that the Dems are anti-American when the opposite is more true. They need to change the conversation from guns and abortion to healthcare and the corruption of the GOP.

Yeah, I had a long and rambling post about the term pro-life that I didn't post on here. The Democrats have let the GOP control the language for as long as I can remember. There is nothing pro-life about forcing a woman to have a child and then not offering high-quality medical care, support for nutrition and safe housing, a living wage to support the child, high-quality early childhood education, and on and on.

The flag stuff is not as important to me, because it's just a symbol and Democrats have the flag in the background all the time. They just don't try to hump it. I'd rather not have flag humping Democrats. I'd rather they talk more about the right to vote, wages, and living standards.

I don't really know what to do about the covert and overt racism other than calling them out on it.

For guns, they should put insurance companies in the mix and require gun insurance. They should work on the margins like the GOP has on abortion, and like the government has on tobacco. They should tax ammunition and accessories beyond normal sales tax. They should require proof of gun safety classes and gun safes for storage for any purchase of a firearm. In short, they should drastically increase the cost of gun ownership. I'm a gun owner and avid hunter. I can't even find any ammunition for hunting this year. I personally know people who have over 5,000 rounds of ammunition that is going to sit and rust. They need to be smarter and attack them in the wallet.

Well they're definitely going to need to pack the court to get substantial gun laws to stick like you're describing.

I wonder what they can do to just make life tougher on gun manufacturers as well. It's not like there's a huge supply of guns that doesn't come from our own borders. Just make their regulatory life a living hell to slow the high flow of guns.

And if they nuke the filibuster hopefully they can get some basic background check stuff passed.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby stitchface » Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:02 pm

"The flag stuff is not as important to me, because it's just a symbol and Democrats have the flag in the background all the time. They just don't try to hump it. I'd rather not have flag humping Democrats. I'd rather they talk more about the right to vote, wages, and living standards."

What I'm really getting at is the idea that being republican is more patriotic.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Cubfanintheknow » Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:07 pm

Welcome back to Wisconsin, Kyle. This time, leave your gun at home, idiot!

https://apnews.com/article/kyle-rittenhouse-extradition-kenosha-4a2be2814fe56d961a22b76943a24426
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:35 pm

We should have a law that protects voting rights
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:11 am

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Derwood wrote:I must be the luckiest guy on earth because my parents have skewed further and further left as they've grown older. They were Reagan/Bush Sr. voters, but are now super-lefties.

That is my dad as well. It's nice getting to commiserate over how terrible Trump is. My mom has always been a Democrat. For my dad, it was Sarah Palin that was the breaking point with the GOP.


Same here. My dad is pretty quietly "never again" with the GOP, but my mom has gone full on liberal activist, which is nuts when I think back to the arguments we'd have over politics when I was growing up.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:48 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
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Derwood wrote:I must be the luckiest guy on earth because my parents have skewed further and further left as they've grown older. They were Reagan/Bush Sr. voters, but are now super-lefties.

That is my dad as well. It's nice getting to commiserate over how terrible Trump is. My mom has always been a Democrat. For my dad, it was Sarah Palin that was the breaking point with the GOP.


Same here. My dad is pretty quietly "never again" with the GOP, but my mom has gone full on liberal activist, which is nuts when I think back to the arguments we'd have over politics when I was growing up.

Your dad was a Reagan guy iirc

My mom was a giant woman's rights advocate in the 80's. My dad was an environmentalist, due to years of watching cooperate asshats destroy farmland with horsefeathers mining techniques, and a union guy.


Dads gone, but mom spends her days watching Fox and listening too much to my conservative sister.

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Postby TruffleShuffle » Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:03 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:Stop horsefeathering voting by mail.


gotta say that the 36 hour commute and $2000 flight to vote in person in central pennsylvania was a bit onerous (not to mention that i would then probably not be allowed to return to australia due to covid restrictions).
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:49 am

No late surge ever happened. Trump is still running 6 points behind where he did four years ago. Maybe I’m missing how some extremely large polling error could happen, but it sure looks like the only way he can win is an anti-democratic coup.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:04 am

I know this happened awhile ago but it’s hard to keep track of all the ridiculousness.

But I wanted to compare an old Republican Party platform to the current one to make a point, only to find out that they don’t have one this year. They opted to forgo it and replace it with some sort of pledge of fealty to Trump. Jesus.
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Postby TruffleShuffle » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:31 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Proven Veteran wrote:
Derwood wrote:I must be the luckiest guy on earth because my parents have skewed further and further left as they've grown older. They were Reagan/Bush Sr. voters, but are now super-lefties.

That is my dad as well. It's nice getting to commiserate over how terrible Trump is. My mom has always been a Democrat. For my dad, it was Sarah Palin that was the breaking point with the GOP.


Same here. My dad is pretty quietly "never again" with the GOP, but my mom has gone full on liberal activist, which is nuts when I think back to the arguments we'd have over politics when I was growing up.


my parents are the same way although my dad got pretty fed up with the GOP after sarah palin was nominated. i think my mom was pretty middle of the road while i was growing up while my dad leaned republican. my mom definitely wasn't super engaged politically. my mom was an elementary school teacher and i think she was radicalized by chris christie being a total condescending dick to public school teachers when he was governor of new jersey. now she goes to lots of protests and organizes get out the vote stuff and donates to a lot of democratic candidates.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Derwood » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:37 am

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:No late surge ever happened. Trump is still running 6 points behind where he did four years ago. Maybe I’m missing how some extremely large polling error could happen, but it sure looks like the only way he can win is an anti-democratic coup.


How many Trump supporters distrust pollsters? How many won’t answer truthfully because something something deep state?
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Postby Brian707 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:58 am

Draftkings sportsbook app has a free election pool with a 100K prize pool. You have to pick the winner of the election and 12 specific states. Almost all are super easy to pick. Like New Jersey and West Virginia as example. Only one I am hung up on, Iowa. 538 has it 55% to 45% in favor of Trump. Most of the polls show Biden up around 2%. Does Biden have a realistic chance?
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:35 am

I'm fairly certain Neil Patrick Harris did not perform at the 2016 RNC.

But the winner is that they listed that Ronda Rousey was arrested during a WWE event. The arrest of course was part of the show. Trump also believed Vince McMahon died when his limo blew up on the show.
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Lin Manuel Miranda - No information regarding political affiliation.
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Postby UMFan83 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:51 am

I’m starting to get a ton of anxiety about the election. Feel good about where everything is at but the catastrophic effects of a Trump win are too much for me to bear. Also just the thought that if Trump wins, we may never see his comeuppance and it’s honestly rivaling “see Cubs win World Series” as something I’ve wanted so badly to happen in my life.

Going to be a rough few days and even worse if there isn’t a victor on election night. We’re so close
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NonProfitCow wrote:Lin Manuel Miranda - No information regarding political affiliation.

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NonProfitCow wrote:Lin Manuel Miranda - No information regarding political affiliation.


Appeals to the large Asian population of Puerto Rico
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:58 am

Brian707 wrote:Draftkings sportsbook app has a free election pool with a 100K prize pool. You have to pick the winner of the election and 12 specific states. Almost all are super easy to pick. Like New Jersey and West Virginia as example. Only one I am hung up on, Iowa. 538 has it 55% to 45% in favor of Trump. Most of the polls show Biden up around 2%. Does Biden have a realistic chance?

Like all draftkings stuff, it has as much to do with the odds of each choice happening are, as it has to do with how popular each choice winds up being...
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:59 am

SouthSideRyan wrote:I'm fairly certain Neil Patrick Harris did not perform at the 2016 RNC.

But the winner is that they listed that Ronda Rousey was arrested during a WWE event. The arrest of course was part of the show. Trump also believed Vince McMahon died when his limo blew up on the show.

I came there to post exactly that quote. Un horsefeathering real.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:59 am

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