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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Derwood » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:02 am

Banedon wrote:https://twitter.com/nancykaffer/status/1328836317137022976



Though these things will most likely fizzle out as they rise through the levels of government, the fact that it’s even being attempted is deeply disturbing
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:31 am

For those on the room smarter then me, why would you or would you not go back to the gold standard?
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Postby Tim » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:32 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:For those on the room smarter then me, why would you or would you not go back to the gold standard?

because we don't want a 19th century economy?

Seriously, it is a horrible, terrible, no-good idea.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Derwood » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:41 am

https://twitter.com/rmfifthcircuit

This guy basically live-Tweeted the Giuliani hearing in Texas. It's complete madness

EDIT: Here is the thread. There are a LOT of posts in it

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Derwood » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:20 am

Wayne County reversed their decision and has voted 4-0 to certify the vote
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:26 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:For those on the room smarter then me, why would you or would you not go back to the gold standard?

Because I prefer the 1982 Bordeaux Standard.
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Postby Banedon » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:39 am

Derwood wrote:Wayne County reversed their decision and has voted 4-0 to certify the vote


Really wanna know what happened there....

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Postby Rob » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:40 am

Derwood wrote:https://twitter.com/rmfifthcircuit

This guy basically live-Tweeted the Giuliani hearing in Texas. It's complete madness

EDIT: Here is the thread. There are a LOT of posts in it



That was gold
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:43 am

Derwood wrote:Wayne County reversed their decision and has voted 4-0 to certify the vote


And since then, doofus has tweeted 6 times while taking a horsefeathers celebrating them not certifying.
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Postby NOLA » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:49 am

Grifters gonna grift.

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Postby UMFan83 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:50 am

SouthSideRyan wrote:
Derwood wrote:Wayne County reversed their decision and has voted 4-0 to certify the vote


And since then, doofus has tweeted 6 times while taking a horsefeathers celebrating them not certifying.


I was just coming to say that. Absolute hilarity.
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Postby NOLA » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:01 am

Not sure why this is so funny, but LOL. What a horsefeathering loser.

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Postby UK » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:08 am

Banedon wrote:
Derwood wrote:Wayne County reversed their decision and has voted 4-0 to certify the vote


Really wanna know what happened there....



I'm sure they have some good on their side...



Nevermind.
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Postby TruffleShuffle » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:14 am



side note, this dude has a serious case of tinyface.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:48 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:For those on the room smarter then me, why would you or would you not go back to the gold standard?


OK. So we are constantly making more stuff. That's what an economy does.

Money is the abstract number we use to keep track of the value of all that stuff. Changing the amount of money does not directly change the amount of stuff, it just changes the price of everything. When you maintain the gold standard, the amount of money is tied to the amount of gold. You can't add more money to the system outside of how much gold you mine.

Since we are constantly making more stuff, we need to constantly add a small amount of money to the total. If we don't, the prices of everything goes down (more stuff divided by same money = less money for stuff). The problem with this scenario is that now you have no incentive to buy anything today, because it will be cheaper tomorrow, and the next day. Your money constantly goes up in value. This creates less incentive to make more stuff, because nobody wants to buy it, because everybody's sitting on their money pile that gains value every day. Which means you need to lower your prices to sell the stuff you make, and you have less incentive to pay people to make stuff, so wages go down. Which means there's even less demand for stuff, so prices go down, so wages go down, so prices go down, so wages go down. It becomes a race to the bottom.

Literally the only people who benefit from this are people who horded a bunch of money/gold/whatever ahead of time so they get to gleefully watch their buying power spiral upward while society collapses around them. This is why the gold standard is so popular with libertarian horsefeathers, who cannot maintain an erection without the idea of becoming powerful in a collapsing society.

Adding money to the system, inflation, is like the little carrot in front of the hamster wheel that keeps it all running. With a small amount of inflation, you can't just sit on your wealth horde, you have to invest it to try to make it keep its value. You use it to build factories that make widgets, pay people to work in those factories, those people have money now to buy your widgets, which gives you incentive to make more, and the whole thing keeps going.
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Postby The_Achiever » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:49 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:For those on the room smarter then me, why would you or would you not go back to the gold standard?


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Postby CubinNY » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:22 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:For those on the room smarter then me, why would you or would you not go back to the gold standard?


Because we live in the 21st century and have developed more sophisticated economies and currency transfer methods.
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Postby Tim » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:25 pm

Because international trade requires ridiculous periodic gold shipments between nations. Because an economy is artificially constrained by the amount of gold it has. Because etc.

Let's move back further than gold and base our currency on pretty seashells from the north African coast.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:27 pm

Tim wrote:Because international trade requires ridiculous periodic gold shipments between nations. Because an economy is artificially constrained by the amount of gold it has. Because etc.

Let's move back further than gold and base our currency on pretty seashells from the north African coast.

I prefer tulip bulbs.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:48 pm

I think the only actual argument to the gold standard is that you'll never have hyperinflation. So basically every argument turns into "well I bet the Weimar Republic wishes they had the gold standard!". Yea and I bet the Weimar Republic also wishes they didn't have crushing war reparations too. Maybe we can put in protections for hyperinflation with smart policy and not rely on the collection and storage of a random element.
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Postby gflore34 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:11 pm

Kind of ties in with the business themed posts above - when you sit back and consider it, just from a pure business standpoint, racism is completely contrarian to success. Looking at people as resources why would any good business want to limit it's pool? More people equals more opportunity which equals more potential investors, employees, etc. which inevitably boils down to a larger flow of money. I'm probably being too simplistic however, I believe there's some truth in this thought.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby CubinNY » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:16 pm

I know it is not going to happen, but in 2021 the new congress and President Biden should get a commission together to build laws so a Trump-style Presidency can never happen again. it benefits both parties equally and is in the best interest of the country. Only then would I support not going after Trump for Federal crimes.
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