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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Banedon » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:28 pm

Derwood wrote:It’s the most recent record they have of anyone’s income


ok?

Don't do means testing!
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Postby Derwood » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:03 am

Banedon wrote:
Derwood wrote:It’s the most recent record they have of anyone’s income


ok?

Don't do means testing!


I'm not justifying it, I'm saying it's the laziest possible reason for the provision
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby CubinNY » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:45 pm

Great postmortem of the Four Seasons Landscaping press conference. It's like a treatment outline of a Cohen Brother's movie.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12 ... story.html

If we live through this period of time as a barely functioning democracy, the historians are going to have a sad, funny, terrible tale to tell about America. The story encapsulates the Trump Presidency and the ridiculousness of our politics so well. The backdrop of COVID sickness and death makes this all the more tragic.
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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:38 pm

CubinNY wrote:Great postmortem of the Four Seasons Landscaping press conference. It's like a treatment outline of a Cohen Brother's movie.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12 ... story.html

If we live through this period of time as a barely functioning democracy, the historians are going to have a sad, funny, terrible tale to tell about America. The story encapsulates the Trump Presidency and the ridiculousness of our politics so well. The backdrop of COVID sickness and death makes this all the more tragic.


I have literally been waiting for a story like this to come out since it happened
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby CubinNY » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:18 pm

Trump's personal banker and her assistant at Deutsches Bank have resigned. No details have been given. The conspiracy theorist inside me says this is a harbinger of bad news for Trump that the general might not know yet, but that Trump does. I guess we'll find out if and when he's kicked out of office.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Banedon » Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:01 pm

Well.....

Yes.....

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Banedon » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:11 am

The Trump pardon parade has begun.





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Postby Derwood » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:32 am

Trump is rewarding cronyism, grifting, war crimes and perjury.

Just like the founding fathers envisioned.
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Postby gflore34 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:47 am

CubinNY wrote:Great postmortem of the Four Seasons Landscaping press conference. It's like a treatment outline of a Cohen Brother's movie.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12 ... story.html

If we live through this period of time as a barely functioning democracy, the historians are going to have a sad, funny, terrible tale to tell about America. The story encapsulates the Trump Presidency and the ridiculousness of our politics so well. The backdrop of COVID sickness and death makes this all the more tragic.



In reading this I can't help but think it represents a microcosm of what a complete horsefeathering hot mess Biden is taking on, it's going several weeks to sort out. Beyond the obvious factors, its no wonder Trump was a terrible businessman, planning, strategy, tactics are concepts he's no respect for nor ever employed.
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He took my stimmy
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Postby CubinNY » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:40 am

I have to believe that many GOP congresspeople are x-ing off the days on the calendar until he's out of office. The monster is now in their house tearing up their stuff and burning down their mansions. What a farce.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:58 am

CubinNY wrote:I have to believe that many GOP congresspeople are x-ing off the days on the calendar until he's out of office. The monster is now in their house tearing up their stuff and burning down their mansions. What a farce.


Eh; I think this isn't too bad for them:

In the video posted to Twitter, Trump said the package, which contains $1.4 trillion in appropriations to fund federal agencies for the rest of fiscal 2021 and $900 billion in COVID-19 relief, was not what he expected and called it a “disgrace” that had “almost nothing to do with COVID.” He shared a long list of spending in the bill he considered unnecessary and wasteful, including $40 million in funding for the Kennedy Center in Washington, which is “not even open” and $1 billion for the Smithsonian Institution.


https://www.govexec.com/management/2020 ... wn/170993/

Dude is doing the classic GOP thing of raging against "unnecessary" artsy-fartsy AKA liberal spending. Now the bill can die, and the Republicans can point fingers and say, "oh, we were willing to agree with the president and raise the COVID checks, but noooooooooo, the evil socialist Demorats refused to cut their wasteful spending!" The Republicans get to villainize the Democrats, the horsefeathers they don't want funded gets the shaft, AND they don't give anyone any "free money" for COVID relief, which none of them horsefeathering want to do in the first place. And they still probably win GA despite it.
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Postby Soul » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:14 am

I feel pretty stupid for not projecting Trump would do this. Of course. He’s not going to just sign off on anything. He’s going to find each and every way he can, from now until Jan 20th, to pluck a bomb in everyone’s ass.
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Postby Derwood » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:17 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
CubinNY wrote:I have to believe that many GOP congresspeople are x-ing off the days on the calendar until he's out of office. The monster is now in their house tearing up their stuff and burning down their mansions. What a farce.


Eh; I think this isn't too bad for them:

In the video posted to Twitter, Trump said the package, which contains $1.4 trillion in appropriations to fund federal agencies for the rest of fiscal 2021 and $900 billion in COVID-19 relief, was not what he expected and called it a “disgrace” that had “almost nothing to do with COVID.” He shared a long list of spending in the bill he considered unnecessary and wasteful, including $40 million in funding for the Kennedy Center in Washington, which is “not even open” and $1 billion for the Smithsonian Institution.


https://www.govexec.com/management/2020 ... wn/170993/

Dude is doing the classic GOP thing of raging against "unnecessary" artsy-fartsy AKA liberal spending. Now the bill can die, and the Republicans can point fingers and say, "oh, we were willing to agree with the president and raise the COVID checks, but noooooooooo, the evil socialist Demorats refused to cut their wasteful spending!" The Republicans get to villainize the Democrats, the horsefeathers they don't want funded gets the shaft, AND they don't give anyone any "free money" for COVID relief, which none of them horsefeathering want to do in the first place. And they still probably win GA despite it.


Or he's starting his revenge tour against McConnell by making him choose between Trump and the party. If McConnell sides with Trump, he pisses off the GOP chumps who don't want a stimulus package. If he sides with the party, he further pisses off Trump (and Trump's simps)
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:18 am

I've been planning for a shutdown for over a month now. Banked a couple of paychecks since I figured I'd be not working for at least a month.
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Postby The_Achiever » Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:30 am

Now we’re really getting into the part where Lindsey graham said trump would destroy the gop and they’d deserve it.
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Postby gflore34 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:12 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
CubinNY wrote:I have to believe that many GOP congresspeople are x-ing off the days on the calendar until he's out of office. The monster is now in their house tearing up their stuff and burning down their mansions. What a farce.


Eh; I think this isn't too bad for them:

In the video posted to Twitter, Trump said the package, which contains $1.4 trillion in appropriations to fund federal agencies for the rest of fiscal 2021 and $900 billion in COVID-19 relief, was not what he expected and called it a “disgrace” that had “almost nothing to do with COVID.” He shared a long list of spending in the bill he considered unnecessary and wasteful, including $40 million in funding for the Kennedy Center in Washington, which is “not even open” and $1 billion for the Smithsonian Institution.


https://www.govexec.com/management/2020 ... wn/170993/

Dude is doing the classic GOP thing of raging against "unnecessary" artsy-fartsy AKA liberal spending. Now the bill can die, and the Republicans can point fingers and say, "oh, we were willing to agree with the president and raise the COVID checks, but noooooooooo, the evil socialist Demorats refused to cut their wasteful spending!" The Republicans get to villainize the Democrats, the horsefeathers they don't want funded gets the shaft, AND they don't give anyone any "free money" for COVID relief, which none of them horsefeathering want to do in the first place. And they still probably win GA despite it.


Perhaps this a stupid question but, why are items that ostensibly look unrelated to the main issue always slipped into these bills? Such as the Smithsonian and Kennedy Center above, how do they relate to COVID relief?
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Postby CubinNY » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:16 pm

gflore34 wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
CubinNY wrote:I have to believe that many GOP congresspeople are x-ing off the days on the calendar until he's out of office. The monster is now in their house tearing up their stuff and burning down their mansions. What a farce.


Eh; I think this isn't too bad for them:

In the video posted to Twitter, Trump said the package, which contains $1.4 trillion in appropriations to fund federal agencies for the rest of fiscal 2021 and $900 billion in COVID-19 relief, was not what he expected and called it a “disgrace” that had “almost nothing to do with COVID.” He shared a long list of spending in the bill he considered unnecessary and wasteful, including $40 million in funding for the Kennedy Center in Washington, which is “not even open” and $1 billion for the Smithsonian Institution.


https://www.govexec.com/management/2020 ... wn/170993/

Dude is doing the classic GOP thing of raging against "unnecessary" artsy-fartsy AKA liberal spending. Now the bill can die, and the Republicans can point fingers and say, "oh, we were willing to agree with the president and raise the COVID checks, but noooooooooo, the evil socialist Demorats refused to cut their wasteful spending!" The Republicans get to villainize the Democrats, the horsefeathers they don't want funded gets the shaft, AND they don't give anyone any "free money" for COVID relief, which none of them horsefeathering want to do in the first place. And they still probably win GA despite it.


Perhaps this a stupid question but, why are items that ostensibly look unrelated to the main issue always slipped into these bills? Such as the Smithsonian and Kennedy Center above, how do they relate to COVID relief?

The COVID relief bill was attached to the omnibus spending bill. It makes it easier for them to pass the smaller bill.
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Postby gflore34 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:18 pm

CubinNY wrote:
gflore34 wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Eh; I think this isn't too bad for them:



https://www.govexec.com/management/2020 ... wn/170993/

Dude is doing the classic GOP thing of raging against "unnecessary" artsy-fartsy AKA liberal spending. Now the bill can die, and the Republicans can point fingers and say, "oh, we were willing to agree with the president and raise the COVID checks, but noooooooooo, the evil socialist Demorats refused to cut their wasteful spending!" The Republicans get to villainize the Democrats, the horsefeathers they don't want funded gets the shaft, AND they don't give anyone any "free money" for COVID relief, which none of them horsefeathering want to do in the first place. And they still probably win GA despite it.


Perhaps this a stupid question but, why are items that ostensibly look unrelated to the main issue always slipped into these bills? Such as the Smithsonian and Kennedy Center above, how do they relate to COVID relief?

The COVID relief bill was attached to the omnibus spending bill. It makes it easier for them to pass the smaller bill.



Read the article, I know its part of the hustle however, that line alluding to another term pissed me off a little. The horsefeathers continues to hurt, cast doubt on elections and democracy for his benefit, there's no prize for all of his marks, no matter what they think or believe. Maybe this will all blow up on him, such as Trump University because, "Stop the Steal" is Trump University with a different name.
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Postby gflore34 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:52 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
CubinNY wrote:I have to believe that many GOP congresspeople are x-ing off the days on the calendar until he's out of office. The monster is now in their house tearing up their stuff and burning down their mansions. What a farce.


Eh; I think this isn't too bad for them:

In the video posted to Twitter, Trump said the package, which contains $1.4 trillion in appropriations to fund federal agencies for the rest of fiscal 2021 and $900 billion in COVID-19 relief, was not what he expected and called it a “disgrace” that had “almost nothing to do with COVID.” He shared a long list of spending in the bill he considered unnecessary and wasteful, including $40 million in funding for the Kennedy Center in Washington, which is “not even open” and $1 billion for the Smithsonian Institution.


https://www.govexec.com/management/2020 ... wn/170993/

Dude is doing the classic GOP thing of raging against "unnecessary" artsy-fartsy AKA liberal spending. Now the bill can die, and the Republicans can point fingers and say, "oh, we were willing to agree with the president and raise the COVID checks, but noooooooooo, the evil socialist Demorats refused to cut their wasteful spending!" The Republicans get to villainize the Democrats, the horsefeathers they don't want funded gets the shaft, AND they don't give anyone any "free money" for COVID relief, which none of them horsefeathering want to do in the first place. And they still probably win GA despite it.


I can see your point, a counter argument is GOP Senate sat on their hands all Summer and only became interested when it's control of the Senate was in doubt. I do believe its pretty straight forward to see those mother [expletive] enjoyed their Summer with numerous vacations while people got pissed on by COVID in every way. Dem's have to push it, if you enjoyed your Summer, losing your job, standing in food lines, while your rich GOP Senator lived it up then, by all means let them retain control of the Senate. Most especially in the case of Loffler and Perdue who made money off the pandemic.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:04 pm

Oh, I don't think this is some master plan; I just think, sadly, it can very easily end up working out in their favor, insane as that is. The Republicans haven't been shy about acting like overt selfish monsters for years now, and people keep lapping it up so long as they hate the Democrats more.
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