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Postby Lenny » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:22 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:Most telling things from that debacle: Trump hated most of her speech. Not necessarily for the content, but it was so obvious it pained him to take second fiddle on the stage to someone else. His ridiculous grimacing and his comments about how he had no idea that "she would talk for that long" are hysterical. And how super awkwardly they had to physically interact when she was done; neither seemingly had any idea what was appropriate and she seemed disgusted by him being that close.


Yep. His body language was fascinating. I first thought trotting out her tired ass was just the latest troll job, but you got the the feeling he immediately regretted it.
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Postby Lenny » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:33 am

BTW, the latest Clinton hit piece on Sanders is an absolute scream:

Why Precisely Is Bernie Sanders Against Reparations?

The Vermont senator’s political imagination is active against plutocracy, but why is it so limited against white supremacy?


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-reparations/424602/

Not sure why Atlantic would choose to run it however, as it's Salon-level drivel. Editorial staff's sense of humor won the day I suppose.
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Postby treebird » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:38 am

Lenny wrote:BTW, the latest Clinton hit piece on Sanders is an absolute scream:

Why Precisely Is Bernie Sanders Against Reparations?

The Vermont senator’s political imagination is active against plutocracy, but why is it so limited against white supremacy?


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-reparations/424602/

Not sure why Atlantic would choose to run it however, as it's Salon-level drivel. Editorial staff's sense of humor won the day I suppose.


you think ta-nehisi coates writes clinton hit pieces?
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Postby Lenny » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:44 am

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Lenny wrote:BTW, the latest Clinton hit piece on Sanders is an absolute scream:

Why Precisely Is Bernie Sanders Against Reparations?

The Vermont senator’s political imagination is active against plutocracy, but why is it so limited against white supremacy?


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-reparations/424602/

Not sure why Atlantic would choose to run it however, as it's Salon-level drivel. Editorial staff's sense of humor won the day I suppose.


you think ta-nehisi coates writes clinton hit pieces?


He obviously does now.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:40 pm

Lenny wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Most telling things from that debacle: Trump hated most of her speech. Not necessarily for the content, but it was so obvious it pained him to take second fiddle on the stage to someone else. His ridiculous grimacing and his comments about how he had no idea that "she would talk for that long" are hysterical. And how super awkwardly they had to physically interact when she was done; neither seemingly had any idea what was appropriate and she seemed disgusted by him being that close.


Yep. His body language was fascinating. I first thought trotting out her tired ass was just the latest troll job, but you got the the feeling he immediately regretted it.


She has brought the performance art of self-parody to astounding new heights. And if Trump could've just disappeared into the bushes a la Homer Simpson, he would have
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:10 pm

Lenny wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Most telling things from that debacle: Trump hated most of her speech. Not necessarily for the content, but it was so obvious it pained him to take second fiddle on the stage to someone else. His ridiculous grimacing and his comments about how he had no idea that "she would talk for that long" are hysterical. And how super awkwardly they had to physically interact when she was done; neither seemingly had any idea what was appropriate and she seemed disgusted by him being that close.


Yep. His body language was fascinating. I first thought trotting out her tired ass was just the latest troll job, but you got the the feeling he immediately regretted it.


It's just funny how shameless they both are; it doesn't take much to realize these are two people who can't stand each other. Two huge egos who, despite Trump's spin this time around, have wildly different politics and social attitudes. They're both gritting their teeth and hitching on to each other, I think, in large part because in the back of their minds they know this isn't going to go on beyond the primaries because if it did go beyond that they'd end up having a ridiculously entertaining falling out.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby seanimal » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:11 pm

Lenny wrote:
treebird wrote:
Lenny wrote:BTW, the latest Clinton hit piece on Sanders is an absolute scream:



http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-reparations/424602/

Not sure why Atlantic would choose to run it however, as it's Salon-level drivel. Editorial staff's sense of humor won the day I suppose.


you think ta-nehisi coates writes clinton hit pieces?


He obviously does now.


do you disagree with the author's thesis that being against reparations, particularly for the reasons sanders states, are intellectually inconsistent with his positions on other social policies?
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:52 am

This is the closest Trump has come to some kind of "breaking character" moment:

http://gawker.com/donald-trump-floats-n ... 1754733944

“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, okay, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, okay? It’s, like, incredible.”


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Postby SeldomSeen » Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:45 am

Ted Cruz = George Washington.

It would sound even crazier if he hadn't already said the same about Rick Santorum.
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Postby CubInOK » Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:13 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:This is the closest Trump has come to some kind of "breaking character" moment:

http://gawker.com/donald-trump-floats-n ... 1754733944

“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, okay, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, okay? It’s, like, incredible.”


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I think he would steal some of Ted Cruz's voters depending on who he shot.
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Postby Ryne Ween » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:27 am



Because with the current candidates he could potentially win.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:59 am

Ryne Ween wrote:


Because with the current candidates he could potentially win.


If it ended up being Trump vs. Sanders or Cruz vs. Sanders; that would be a perfect storm for someone like Bloomberg to swoop in and draw votes from both sides. No chance he goes through with it if Clinton gets the nod, though.
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Postby CubinNY » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:28 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Ryne Ween wrote:


Because with the current candidates he could potentially win.


If it ended up being Trump vs. Sanders or Cruz vs. Sanders; that would be a perfect storm for someone like Bloomberg to swoop in and draw votes from both sides. No chance he goes through with it if Clinton gets the nod, though.

I'd vote for Bloomberg in a second.
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Postby Derwood » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:18 pm

CubinNY wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Ryne Ween wrote:
Because with the current candidates he could potentially win.


If it ended up being Trump vs. Sanders or Cruz vs. Sanders; that would be a perfect storm for someone like Bloomberg to swoop in and draw votes from both sides. No chance he goes through with it if Clinton gets the nod, though.

I'd vote for Bloomberg in a second.


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Postby TruffleShuffle » Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:28 am

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/ ... egulation/

GOP presidential hopeful and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush defended Gov. Rick Snyder (R-MI) against criticism over his handling of the Flint water crisis on Sunday, arguing instead that the blame should go to the fact that regulations are too complex.

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“We’ve created this complex, no responsibility regulatory system, where the federal government, the state government, a regional government, local and county governments are all pointing fingers at one another.” He proposed simply having a “21st century system of rules: Whenever you see a problem, it should become public, there should be transparency instead of trying to cover it up.”

He then praised Synder for having “taken responsibility” and for “rolling up his sleeves and trying to deal with it.” Bush said he should not resign, as he “needs to do what he’s doing, which is to accept responsibility and began to solve the problem,” adding that Snyder has “been a great governor for Michigan.”


horsefeathers yourself, jeb. pretty much everybody knows whose fault it is; it's the state government's fault and the fault of the emergency manager who was appointed by the state government. nobody is pointing fingers at the federal government because they had nothing to do with this. and people kept trying to bring the problem to the attention of the state officials, who kept denying that there was anything wrong with the water.

what a complete dick.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:45 pm

TruffleShuffle wrote:http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/01/24/3742264/jeb-bush-flint-caused-by-too-much-regulation/

GOP presidential hopeful and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush defended Gov. Rick Snyder (R-MI) against criticism over his handling of the Flint water crisis on Sunday, arguing instead that the blame should go to the fact that regulations are too complex.

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“We’ve created this complex, no responsibility regulatory system, where the federal government, the state government, a regional government, local and county governments are all pointing fingers at one another.” He proposed simply having a “21st century system of rules: Whenever you see a problem, it should become public, there should be transparency instead of trying to cover it up.”

He then praised Synder for having “taken responsibility” and for “rolling up his sleeves and trying to deal with it.” Bush said he should not resign, as he “needs to do what he’s doing, which is to accept responsibility and began to solve the problem,” adding that Snyder has “been a great governor for Michigan.”


[expletive] yourself, jeb. pretty much everybody knows whose fault it is; it's the state government's fault and the fault of the emergency manager who was appointed by the state government. nobody is pointing fingers at the federal government because they had nothing to do with this. and people kept trying to bring the problem to the attention of the state officials, who kept denying that there was anything wrong with the water.

what a complete dick.


Yup. Similar issues with border towns in Texas, too. If anything, one of the main problems is how this kind of thinking has lead to the EPA being de-fanged from being able to follow up and enforce this kind of thing to the level we need. Right at best they can basically monitor and point things out and then leave it in the hands of the states.
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Chris Christie showed back up in jersey for the storm then headed back to new hampshire claiming there was no serious damage from the weather. Completely ignoring the massive damage along the southern shore where storm surge broke through bulkheads and wrecked some horsefeathers
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jersey cubs fan wrote:Chris Christie showed back up in jersey for the storm then headed back to new hampshire claiming there was no serious damage from the weather. Completely ignoring the massive damage along the southern shore where storm surge broke through bulkheads and wrecked some [expletive]


I have Stone Harbor "liked" on Facebook, and the damage and flooding is insane
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Postby Lenny » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:27 am

seanimal wrote:
Lenny wrote:
treebird wrote:
you think ta-nehisi coates writes clinton hit pieces?


He obviously does now.


do you disagree with the author's thesis that being against reparations, particularly for the reasons sanders states, are intellectually inconsistent with his positions on other social policies?



January '16 Sanders? No. Coates has a point. Bernie has been stepping into too many traps.

Pre August '15 Sanders? Yes, I would disagree vehemently. He used to let his economic populism guide him. He was on the nativism train long before Trump hijacked it (and he'd be much better off had he stuck with it IMO)
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Postby Lenny » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:43 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
TruffleShuffle wrote:http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/01/24/3742264/jeb-bush-flint-caused-by-too-much-regulation/

GOP presidential hopeful and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush defended Gov. Rick Snyder (R-MI) against criticism over his handling of the Flint water crisis on Sunday, arguing instead that the blame should go to the fact that regulations are too complex.

....

“We’ve created this complex, no responsibility regulatory system, where the federal government, the state government, a regional government, local and county governments are all pointing fingers at one another.” He proposed simply having a “21st century system of rules: Whenever you see a problem, it should become public, there should be transparency instead of trying to cover it up.”

He then praised Synder for having “taken responsibility” and for “rolling up his sleeves and trying to deal with it.” Bush said he should not resign, as he “needs to do what he’s doing, which is to accept responsibility and began to solve the problem,” adding that Snyder has “been a great governor for Michigan.”


[expletive] yourself, jeb. pretty much everybody knows whose fault it is; it's the state government's fault and the fault of the emergency manager who was appointed by the state government. nobody is pointing fingers at the federal government because they had nothing to do with this. and people kept trying to bring the problem to the attention of the state officials, who kept denying that there was anything wrong with the water.

what a complete dick.


Yup. Similar issues with border towns in Texas, too. If anything, one of the main problems is how this kind of thinking has lead to the EPA being de-fanged from being able to follow up and enforce this kind of thing to the level we need. Right at best they can basically monitor and point things out and then leave it in the hands of the states.


I'm no fan of Snyder, and when the dust is settled, he needs to be prosecuted.

But we can't let this become a partisan issue. Susan Hedman and Gina Mccarthy were Obama appointments, and they were in charge of the EPA in Michigan. Where were they the past two years?
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:46 am

Lenny wrote:He was on the nativism train long before Trump hijacked it (and he'd be much better off had he stuck with it IMO)


Nooooooooooooope. Bernie was a dope with how he'd act like open borders were scaring him up onto a chair like a mouse across the kitchen floor and it betrayed how simplistic and jingoistic some of his key economic stances are. There's a big middle ground between general amnesty and deportation; immigration is a needed compliment to the American labor force. Hey and Trump simply were on different sides of the same moronic coin.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:48 am

Lenny wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
TruffleShuffle wrote:http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/01/24/3742264/jeb-bush-flint-caused-by-too-much-regulation/



[expletive] yourself, jeb. pretty much everybody knows whose fault it is; it's the state government's fault and the fault of the emergency manager who was appointed by the state government. nobody is pointing fingers at the federal government because they had nothing to do with this. and people kept trying to bring the problem to the attention of the state officials, who kept denying that there was anything wrong with the water.

what a complete dick.


Yup. Similar issues with border towns in Texas, too. If anything, one of the main problems is how this kind of thinking has lead to the EPA being de-fanged from being able to follow up and enforce this kind of thing to the level we need. Right at best they can basically monitor and point things out and then leave it in the hands of the states.


I'm no fan of Snyder, and when the dust is settled, he needs to be prosecuted.

But we can't let this become a partisan issue. Susan Hedman and Gina Mccarthy were Obama appointments, and they were in charge of the EPA in Michigan. Where were they the past two years?


Did you not even read the post you quoted? The EPA doesn't have the necessary reach and resources to facilitate the monitoring and control that we now have no other choice but to rely on at the state level.
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