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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:54 am

Man, Sanders is just writing all the Republican attack ads for them during this town hall meeting
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:59 am

And to expand on the EPA points: their budget has been cut about $2.5 billion since 2010. Their staffing levels are now lower than they were in 1989. This is stupidly backwards.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Lenny » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:01 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Lenny wrote:He was on the nativism train long before Trump hijacked it (and he'd be much better off had he stuck with it IMO)


Nooooooooooooope. Bernie was a dope with how he'd act like open borders were scaring him up onto a chair like a mouse across the kitchen floor and it betrayed how simplistic and jingoistic some of his key economic stances are. There's a big middle ground between general amnesty and deportation; immigration is a needed compliment to the American labor force. Hey and Trump simply were on different sides of the same moronic coin.


What's moronic about it? Tell me you can't see the parallel between LBJ's '65 open door, and the fact real labor wages peaked in 1971?

Did you watch Nikki Haley's speech? They want the cost of labor as close to zero as possible.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Lenny » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:03 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Lenny wrote:
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Yup. Similar issues with border towns in Texas, too. If anything, one of the main problems is how this kind of thinking has lead to the EPA being de-fanged from being able to follow up and enforce this kind of thing to the level we need. Right at best they can basically monitor and point things out and then leave it in the hands of the states.


I'm no fan of Snyder, and when the dust is settled, he needs to be prosecuted.

But we can't let this become a partisan issue. Susan Hedman and Gina Mccarthy were Obama appointments, and they were in charge of the EPA in Michigan. Where were they the past two years?


Did you not even read the post you quoted? The EPA doesn't have the necessary reach and resources to facilitate the monitoring and control that we now have no other choice but to rely on at the state level.


Whose fault is that?
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:04 am

Lenny wrote:
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Lenny wrote:He was on the nativism train long before Trump hijacked it (and he'd be much better off had he stuck with it IMO)


Nooooooooooooope. Bernie was a dope with how he'd act like open borders were scaring him up onto a chair like a mouse across the kitchen floor and it betrayed how simplistic and jingoistic some of his key economic stances are. There's a big middle ground between general amnesty and deportation; immigration is a needed compliment to the American labor force. Hey and Trump simply were on different sides of the same moronic coin.


What's moronic about it? Tell me you can't see the parallel between LBJ's '65 open door, and the fact real labor wages peaked in 1971?

Did you watch Nikki Haley's speech? They want the cost of labor as close to zero as possible.


You really don't read what you ostensibly are replying to, do you?
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:05 am

Lenny wrote:
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Lenny wrote:
I'm no fan of Snyder, and when the dust is settled, he needs to be prosecuted.

But we can't let this become a partisan issue. Susan Hedman and Gina Mccarthy were Obama appointments, and they were in charge of the EPA in Michigan. Where were they the past two years?


Did you not even read the post you quoted? The EPA doesn't have the necessary reach and resources to facilitate the monitoring and control that we now have no other choice but to rely on at the state level.


Whose fault is that?


Congressional Republicans.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Lenny » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:06 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:And to expand on the EPA points: their budget has been cut about $2.5 billion since 2010. Their staffing levels are now lower than they were in 1989. This is stupidly backwards.



It horsefeathering sucks. But at least coal is FINALLY on it's way out.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Lenny » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:09 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Lenny wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Nooooooooooooope. Bernie was a dope with how he'd act like open borders were scaring him up onto a chair like a mouse across the kitchen floor and it betrayed how simplistic and jingoistic some of his key economic stances are. There's a big middle ground between general amnesty and deportation; immigration is a needed compliment to the American labor force. Hey and Trump simply were on different sides of the same moronic coin.


What's moronic about it? Tell me you can't see the parallel between LBJ's '65 open door, and the fact real labor wages peaked in 1971?

Did you watch Nikki Haley's speech? They want the cost of labor as close to zero as possible.


You really don't read what you ostensibly are replying to, do you?


No, I just disagree with you in regards to open borders.

I'll never understand how the elites/libertarians hoodwinked progressives into carrying that water for them.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:09 am

Hillary is rambling and rambling about foreign policy and I think everyone in this theatre is like zzzzzzzzzz
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby NonProfitCow » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:14 am

Lenny wrote:But we can't let this become a partisan issue.

Cool.
Susan Hedman and Gina Mccarthy were Obama appointments, and they were in charge of the EPA in Michigan. Where were they the past two years?

Wait, what?
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:53 am

Lenny wrote:
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Lenny wrote:
What's moronic about it? Tell me you can't see the parallel between LBJ's '65 open door, and the fact real labor wages peaked in 1971?

Did you watch Nikki Haley's speech? They want the cost of labor as close to zero as possible.


You really don't read what you ostensibly are replying to, do you?


No, I just disagree with you in regards to open borders.

I'll never understand how the elites/libertarians hoodwinked progressives into carrying that water for them.


Easier immigration process doesn't equal open borders. Plus we don't actually have open borders. It's very hard to actually immigrate here.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby NonProfitCow » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:00 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:Easier immigration process doesn't equal open borders. Plus we don't actually have open borders. It's very hard to actually immigrate here.

Very hard is an understatement.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:02 am

NonProfitCow wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Easier immigration process doesn't equal open borders. Plus we don't actually have open borders. It's very hard to actually immigrate here.

Very hard is an understatement.


Definitely. I was trying to ease him into it.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Duke Silver » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:52 pm

This is an attack ad made by Papa Joe Ricketts' Super PAC that is playing in Iowa. These are apparently supposed to be bad things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XsWkwakVlA
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:55 pm

Duke Silver wrote:This is an attack ad made by Papa Joe Ricketts' Super PAC that is playing in Iowa. These are apparently supposed to be bad things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XsWkwakVlA

hahaha,

the husband and wife hugging in front of their cars and mansion as the sympathetic heroes Iowa needs.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:58 pm

Duke Silver wrote:This is an attack ad made by Papa Joe Ricketts' Super PAC that is playing in Iowa. These are apparently supposed to be bad things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XsWkwakVlA

What. The. horsefeathers.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Duke Silver » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:01 pm

How tone-deaf are you if you think this is going to make people not like the guy? I mean, it shouldn't be that hard to make a Bernie Sanders attack ad. You pretty much just have to show a picture of him and have someone say, "This man is a socialist."
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:02 pm

Like for real, are "big insurance" and mega-millionaires more important to our society than people who are not going broke to be educated and insured?

But as I ponder this, I know that I know people who would agree with that message.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:07 pm

Duke Silver wrote:How tone-deaf are you if you think this is going to make people not like the guy? I mean, it shouldn't be that hard to make a Bernie Sanders attack ad. You pretty much just have to show a picture of him and have someone say, "This man is a socialist."


He gave a dozen sound clips in last night's town hall that you could just run in sequence and it would be more impactful. "Of course we're going to raise taxes!" on a loop would suffice
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:16 pm

It seems to have been designed with two goals in mind, getting Bernie the nomination before setting him up to fall in the general.
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:17 pm

I won't believe that's not a parody until I see otherwise.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Banedon » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:19 pm

But, I don't understand the goal of the commercial in the first place. These are primaries/caucuses...not a general election. Is the goal to get Hillary the nomination? I mean...presuming you think that ad "attacked" Bernie in any way.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:25 pm

horsefeathers' Ricketts.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:27 pm

Banedon wrote:But, I don't understand the goal of the commercial in the first place. These are primaries/caucuses...not a general election. Is the goal to get Hillary the nomination? I mean...presuming you think that ad "attacked" Bernie in any way.


I don't doubt for a second that the Republicans would much rather face Sanders in the general election than Clinton. They've seemingly been talking him up in a very reverse psychology-kinda way over the last week or so.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Banedon » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:34 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Banedon wrote:But, I don't understand the goal of the commercial in the first place. These are primaries/caucuses...not a general election. Is the goal to get Hillary the nomination? I mean...presuming you think that ad "attacked" Bernie in any way.


I don't doubt for a second that the Republicans would much rather face Sanders in the general election than Clinton. They've seemingly been talking him up in a very reverse psychology-kinda way over the last week or so.


I think that's a mistake though. In a general election, I think Bernie is gonna seem ridiculously sane compared to ANY of the Republicans, and he doesn't have nearly the baggage that Clinton does other than "he's too librul!". I know, you're convinced that Bernie is gonna crushed in a general, but I'm very much not. I think Clinton is more of a hurdle than the general election.
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