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Written by the same horsefeathers head who gave us the, "get to know the local folksy white supremacists in your neighborhood" piece.
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They're going to throw him in jail and see how long it takes for him to flip.
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Though if he goes to jail they'll take his shoes, thus preventing any dropping of them.
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Postby MWV » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:20 pm

The thoroughness with which Scott Pruitt abuses his position borders upon comical:
Scott Pruitt enlisted an EPA aide to help his wife find a job — at Chick-fil-A
Three months after Scott Pruitt was sworn in as head of the Environmental Protection Agency, his executive scheduler emailed Dan Cathy, chairman and president of the fast food company Chick-fil-A, with an unusual request: Would Cathy meet with Pruitt to discuss “a potential business opportunity”?

A call was arranged, then canceled, and Pruitt eventually spoke with someone from the company’s legal department. Only then did he reveal the “opportunity” on his mind was a job for his wife, Marlyn.

“The subject of that phone call was an expression of interest in his wife becoming a Chick-fil-A franchisee,” company representative Carrie Kurlander told The Washington Post via email.
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Sammy Sofa wrote:Though if he goes to jail they'll take his shoes, thus preventing any dropping of them.

His shoes don't need to drop.
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you said it, buddy.
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Postby TruffleShuffle » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:02 am

trump changed the eagles super bowl ceremony to something called "celebration of america" and supposedly invited 1000 eagles fans in place of the players and coaches. it went about as well as everything goes with this white house - the "1000 fans" were pretty much all just executive branch staffers rounded up to attend a fake pep rally, and then trump the fake patriot didn't know the words to God Bless America.



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TruffleShuffle wrote:


Only Enrico Palazzo could have done it better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxHnXajIex4
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:40 pm

Not there there's really anything new here, but I was surprised to read such a good summation of Trump's personality and view of the world/himself on Deadspin of all places:

https://deadspin.com/the-nfl-is-too-dum ... 1826558748

Because NFL owners are quite stupid even by the water-brained standards of the ultra-rich, they devised a strange sort of tiered non-compromise compromise on the protests in the hopes that Trump would stop ranting about their league and the ungrateful, un-American, subhuman thugs who are both its labor and its product. They did this without the consent or even the input of the players, which displeased the players. And Trump, because he is Trump, did not accept the deal. He’s a man who only knows how to do a couple of things, but one of those things is to find a bruise and then push and push on it. He does that very well.

Trump told the owners this, directly, but they didn’t believe him. “You can’t win this one,” Trump reportedly told Jerry Jones in a phone call. “This one lifts me.” The owners thought, despite that, there was a solution that could lift everyone—a nice deal that lets everyone continue to do their respective looting in happy parallel. In that, they fundamentally misread the situation and misunderstood their counterparty. They haven’t listened to the people mounting the protests, of course, but they somehow misjudged Trump, too.

The people mounting the protests have made the same simple and humane points for years and have been answered only with the laziest umbrage and bad faith, which is more or less the response that such protests elicit in America. But Trump also hasn’t changed his broader position; he is not listening or learning or changing, because those are not things he does. He is pushing and pushing and pushing at this issue because that is what he does, and because he is nothing without something to push against. There is no compromise to make. Trump wants to become the world, to erase and expunge everything from it that is not him or about him. A generation of the worst and most hard-hearted people that this country has ever produced are lined up outside the church he has opened, and they are willing to leave everything outside in order to gain entry. It’s the only way in. It’s the only way there will be enough room.


Trump doesn’t understand loyalty in any meaningful way, because he is not capable of it in any meaningful way. There is no other person on Earth who really seems to mean much to him outside of what they say about or could potentially do for him. But he definitely has an understanding of loyalty, and that is roughly as something that an employee owes an employer—as a thing that runs up and only up, and is non-negotiable, and is in the end about always and without complaint doing what you’re told. Among Trump’s many strange rhetorical tics is using “like a dog” as the most devastating of insults, which is weird enough when you consider how awesome dogs are but which seems more significant in light of the fact that his understanding of what loyalty looks like is otherwise synonymous with what dogs show their masters.

He is not the only person that understands it this way, either. It is a very easy and very lazy and fundamentally worthless way of valuing loyalty, and as such it is very useful to the people who tend to line up behind Trump and figures like him—the little authoritarians who see or want to see themselves as sitting naturally atop an important hierarchy, who very deeply believe themselves to be owed things that they don’t really feel like they owe anyone else, and who also do not appreciate being smarted-off to by their lessers.

This population tends to have just about the racial and class characteristics that you’d expect, but at a fundamental level what binds it together is the belief that you and your personal comfort are the most important thing in the world; the politics that follow from this are callous and cruel in the most casual and checked-out way imaginable. It is a worldview that allows for unimaginable suffering and injustice precisely because it refuses even to imagine that suffering and injustice or the people broken under it. It greets every inconvenience or perceived slight against the individual with a foot-stamping demand to speak to a manager, and everything else with a shrug, or at most with some half-reasoned hand-waving in the direction of justification before changing the subject back to what really matters, the only person in this universe who is actually real—the man in the armchair, feeling it all.

This is the thing that comes after politics, a tangy slurry that fills the vacuum with ancient and inchoate and unreasoning grievance. Trump and his people believe themselves to be, separately but not in any meaningful way together, synonymous with America. Everything and everyone outside their understanding—which is, respectively, a lot and basically everyone—is something else, something smaller and other. An abstraction, but also a distraction from What Really Matters—not you, but me, me, me. There is no deal to make with people like this, because there is no limit to what they want.
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Sammy Sofa wrote:Not there there's really anything new here, but I was surprised to read such a good summation of Trump's personality and view of the world/himself on Deadspin of all places:

https://deadspin.com/the-nfl-is-too-dum ... 1826558748

Because NFL owners are quite stupid even by the water-brained standards of the ultra-rich, they devised a strange sort of tiered non-compromise compromise on the protests in the hopes that Trump would stop ranting about their league and the ungrateful, un-American, subhuman thugs who are both its labor and its product. They did this without the consent or even the input of the players, which displeased the players. And Trump, because he is Trump, did not accept the deal. He’s a man who only knows how to do a couple of things, but one of those things is to find a bruise and then push and push on it. He does that very well.

Trump told the owners this, directly, but they didn’t believe him. “You can’t win this one,” Trump reportedly told Jerry Jones in a phone call. “This one lifts me.” The owners thought, despite that, there was a solution that could lift everyone—a nice deal that lets everyone continue to do their respective looting in happy parallel. In that, they fundamentally misread the situation and misunderstood their counterparty. They haven’t listened to the people mounting the protests, of course, but they somehow misjudged Trump, too.

The people mounting the protests have made the same simple and humane points for years and have been answered only with the laziest umbrage and bad faith, which is more or less the response that such protests elicit in America. But Trump also hasn’t changed his broader position; he is not listening or learning or changing, because those are not things he does. He is pushing and pushing and pushing at this issue because that is what he does, and because he is nothing without something to push against. There is no compromise to make. Trump wants to become the world, to erase and expunge everything from it that is not him or about him. A generation of the worst and most hard-hearted people that this country has ever produced are lined up outside the church he has opened, and they are willing to leave everything outside in order to gain entry. It’s the only way in. It’s the only way there will be enough room.


Trump doesn’t understand loyalty in any meaningful way, because he is not capable of it in any meaningful way. There is no other person on Earth who really seems to mean much to him outside of what they say about or could potentially do for him. But he definitely has an understanding of loyalty, and that is roughly as something that an employee owes an employer—as a thing that runs up and only up, and is non-negotiable, and is in the end about always and without complaint doing what you’re told. Among Trump’s many strange rhetorical tics is using “like a dog” as the most devastating of insults, which is weird enough when you consider how awesome dogs are but which seems more significant in light of the fact that his understanding of what loyalty looks like is otherwise synonymous with what dogs show their masters.

He is not the only person that understands it this way, either. It is a very easy and very lazy and fundamentally worthless way of valuing loyalty, and as such it is very useful to the people who tend to line up behind Trump and figures like him—the little authoritarians who see or want to see themselves as sitting naturally atop an important hierarchy, who very deeply believe themselves to be owed things that they don’t really feel like they owe anyone else, and who also do not appreciate being smarted-off to by their lessers.

This population tends to have just about the racial and class characteristics that you’d expect, but at a fundamental level what binds it together is the belief that you and your personal comfort are the most important thing in the world; the politics that follow from this are callous and cruel in the most casual and checked-out way imaginable. It is a worldview that allows for unimaginable suffering and injustice precisely because it refuses even to imagine that suffering and injustice or the people broken under it. It greets every inconvenience or perceived slight against the individual with a foot-stamping demand to speak to a manager, and everything else with a shrug, or at most with some half-reasoned hand-waving in the direction of justification before changing the subject back to what really matters, the only person in this universe who is actually real—the man in the armchair, feeling it all.

This is the thing that comes after politics, a tangy slurry that fills the vacuum with ancient and inchoate and unreasoning grievance. Trump and his people believe themselves to be, separately but not in any meaningful way together, synonymous with America. Everything and everyone outside their understanding—which is, respectively, a lot and basically everyone—is something else, something smaller and other. An abstraction, but also a distraction from What Really Matters—not you, but me, me, me. There is no deal to make with people like this, because there is no limit to what they want.


What an amazing analogy:

None of this troubles the loop. Trump watches and emotes; he excretes and consumes. That a great and greatly conflicted experiment in self-government has come to this—a whole nation trying to talk a horsefeathers trust-fund lout into a cab so that he won’t mow down everyone on the sidewalk, and then talking about what a fantastic job he did barfing in the ashtray—is one thing. It’s many things. But none of those things are complicated.
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Sammy Sofa wrote:Not there there's really anything new here, but I was surprised to read such a good summation of Trump's personality and view of the world/himself on Deadspin of all places:

https://deadspin.com/the-nfl-is-too-dum ... 1826558748

This is the thing that comes after politics, a tangy slurry that fills the vacuum with ancient and inchoate and unreasoning grievance. Trump and his people believe themselves to be, separately but not in any meaningful way together, synonymous with America. Everything and everyone outside their understanding—which is, respectively, a lot and basically everyone—is something else, something smaller and other. An abstraction, but also a distraction from What Really Matters—not you, but me, me, me. There is no deal to make with people like this, because there is no limit to what they want.


And in the "what's the most predictable thing ever?" category, the more power they accumulate, the more crazed they become. This grievance politics, in all its crassness, reveals conservatism for what it was always going to become. Intellectually, it had no other place to go.

I've brought articles & tweets here, and posted sparse thoughts about this. All this gesticulating over Trump's "takeover" of the GOP and #nevertrump'ers actually having the gall to blame liberals for the ills of the toxic conservative movement, is all an attempt to purge conservatives' conscience of what they have wrought. They want to keep arguing about things like campus free speech, and claim there is a vast progressive army arrayed against them...when almost every level of government in the vast majority of this country is controlled by the GOP.

I know this brings nothing new to the table. I just needed to vomit out some thoughts.
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CyHawk_Cub wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Not there there's really anything new here, but I was surprised to read such a good summation of Trump's personality and view of the world/himself on Deadspin of all places:

https://deadspin.com/the-nfl-is-too-dum ... 1826558748

This is the thing that comes after politics, a tangy slurry that fills the vacuum with ancient and inchoate and unreasoning grievance. Trump and his people believe themselves to be, separately but not in any meaningful way together, synonymous with America. Everything and everyone outside their understanding—which is, respectively, a lot and basically everyone—is something else, something smaller and other. An abstraction, but also a distraction from What Really Matters—not you, but me, me, me. There is no deal to make with people like this, because there is no limit to what they want.


And in the "what's the most predictable thing ever?" category, the more power they accumulate, the more crazed they become. This grievance politics, in all its crassness, reveals conservatism for what it was always going to become. Intellectually, it had no other place to go.

I've brought articles & tweets here, and posted sparse thoughts about this. All this gesticulating over Trump's "takeover" of the GOP and #nevertrump'ers actually having the gall to blame liberals for the ills of the toxic conservative movement, is all an attempt to purge conservatives' conscience of what they have wrought. They want to keep arguing about things like campus free speech, and claim there is a vast progressive army arrayed against them...when almost every level of government in the vast majority of this country is controlled by the GOP.

I know this brings nothing new to the table. I just needed to vomit out some thoughts.

People forget that FDR saved capitalism from collapse with The New Deal. They have an uncanny inability to link their current circumstances to their elected leaders. The Democrats deserve a fair portion of the blame for buying into the Clinton style "meritocracy" myth and siding with corporate interests over workers. This left the working class rife for the feel good/bad message of the GOP. The Democrats still have not come to terms with where they are and who they should represent. Their fear is greater than their desire to do the right thing. They have no idea how well their message will resonate with the people, especially young people.
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Postby biittner77 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:42 pm

People forget that FDR saved capitalism from collapse with The New Deal.


https://historynewsnetwork.org/blog/20483
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IMO, it was really piss-poorly handled by the Obama administration; I get what they were trying to do, but they should have been completely upfront about it.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:41 pm

So my candidate for Congress is an old rich guy who doesn't live here, who almost literally bought the nomination. He donated a bajillion dollars to his own campaign, and then when everyone got worried about being shut out because of the top-two system and vote splitting out here, the national party declared him the front-runner because his campaign had the most money to spend. I find that whole thing particularly irksome, and I was told a lot during the last couple of weeks to shut up and vote for him because we can't risk losing. Which I did, but I'm still annoyed by the whole thing.

Oh god, is this what being a Bernie Sanders fan feels like? I have to go rethink my everything.
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