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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby NOLA » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:38 pm

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WrigleyField 22 wrote:Isn't the flooding still projected to get worse?

If you live in a low lying area then of course you should evacuate. This is a rain event, not a wind or surge event. If you do not live near rivers or streams in flood plains, this storm is a big inconvenience, nothing more. Not saying that lives and property aren’t affected, just that the hype doesn’t match the reality, and that creates distrust in the media the next time a big one comes.


[expletive], there is both a weather thread AND a journalism thread, you monster.

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I was friends with Seung Min in high school! She's horsefeathering awesome. And this is so gross
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Re: Politics, but not weather or journalism or weather journalism

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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:00 am

The thread responded to by Yglesias, that I'm not posting, is worth a read, IMO.

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Postby Banedon » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:14 am

Flake, Corker, and Murkowski have all indicated there should be a delay the vote. They'll probably both cave to pressure though.
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Re: Politics, but not weather or journalism or weather journalism

Postby CubinNY » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:20 pm

If she has the notes and the dates can be verified that should be it. It won't be, but it should be. I mean they have a guy who bragged about rape in the WH, a guy who abetted rape in the HOR, and various other old white guys in the party who see women as second class citizens unable to make a decision about their own body.
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Re: Politics, but not weather or journalism or weather journalism

Postby Irrelevant Dude » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:48 pm

I don't want Kavanaugh anywhere near the Supreme Court, and I think he could be disqualified for numerous reasons, but I struggle with the Ford accusation because I don't see any way for it to be proven or disproven. I don't doubt that the events occurred, but I fear for the precedent it sets and the possible abuse to the system as a result of that precedent.

In the current political climate, does anyone put it past a someone to craft a politically motivated accusation that can't be disproven for the sole reason of destroying a candidate or elected official? I'm certainly not saying that is what Dr. Ford is doing, but I think it would be naive to assume that someone won't attempt to do it in the future.

If there is clear evidence, then I'm all for using it, but if it boils down to he said/she said from 30+ years ago, I can't say that I'm comfortable with that burden of proof.

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Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:58 pm

Irrelevant Dude wrote:I don't want Kavanaugh anywhere near the Supreme Court, and I think he could be disqualified for numerous reasons, but I struggle with the Ford accusation because I don't see any way for it to be proven or disproven. I don't doubt that the events occurred, but I fear for the precedent it sets and the possible abuse to the system as a result of that precedent.

In the current political climate, does anyone put it past a someone to craft a politically motivated accusation that can't be disproven for the sole reason of destroying a candidate or elected official? I'm certainly not saying that is what Dr. Ford is doing, but I think it would be naive to assume that someone won't attempt to do it in the future.

If there is clear evidence, then I'm all for using it, but if it boils down to he said/she said from 30+ years ago, I can't say that I'm comfortable with that burden of proof.

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This would be no precedent. Past sexual bad behavior sinking a candidate has happened before. This notion that all men are now subject to unfair false accusations is a nonsensical theory that has been around since before I was in college and I am old.

Kavanaugh and his buddy seem like incredibly terrible people that half of all 80s bad guys were based on. If you aren't a dbag, it will be very difficult to sink your candidacy based on a made up story.
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Re: Politics, but not weather or journalism or weather journalism

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:02 pm

I'd prefer to avoid the slippery slope of attempted rapists becoming Supreme Court Justices.

But that's just me.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:04 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:If you aren't a dbag, it will be very difficult to sink your candidacy based on a made up story.


Yeah, this kind of thinking is ultimately hinged on the idea that it would be oh-so-hard to find somebody who wouldn't be susceptible to being accused of this sort of thing.

And hey, even if it was such a problem apparently to find a dude who can't be accused of sexual assault, how about just nominating a horsefeathering woman?
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Re: Politics, but not weather or journalism or weather journalism

Postby CubinNY » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:15 pm

Irrelevant Dude wrote:I don't want Kavanaugh anywhere near the Supreme Court, and I think he could be disqualified for numerous reasons, but I struggle with the Ford accusation because I don't see any way for it to be proven or disproven. I don't doubt that the events occurred, but I fear for the precedent it sets and the possible abuse to the system as a result of that precedent.

In the current political climate, does anyone put it past a someone to craft a politically motivated accusation that can't be disproven for the sole reason of destroying a candidate or elected official? I'm certainly not saying that is what Dr. Ford is doing, but I think it would be naive to assume that someone won't attempt to do it in the future.

If there is clear evidence, then I'm all for using it, but if it boils down to he said/she said from 30+ years ago, I can't say that I'm comfortable with that burden of proof.

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Do you have any idea how coming forward to report assault against powerful men adversely affects a woman’s life. The entire history of Westen civilization is replete with examples. How in God’s green earth could you ever think a women would do something like this as a political stunt? It’s unconscionable. Iliana Douglass couldn’t find work for years after Monvees.
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Postby Irrelevant Dude » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:27 pm

CubinNY wrote:Do you have any idea how coming forward to report assault against powerful men adversely affects a woman’s life. The entire history of Westen civilization is replete with examples. How in God’s green earth could you ever think a women would do something like this as a political stunt? It’s unconscionable. Iliana Douglass couldn’t find work for years after Monvees.

I can't honestly say that I fully comprehend the implications for a woman in this scenario, but I do recognize the difficulty and courage in coming forward. With that said, not everyone has the same presumed level of dignity, honesty, and self-worth. At a time when our democracy is under attack from within, I don't dismiss the possibility that someone could see a benefit in making certain false accusations, even at significant personal cost. The population of women who might do that is an extreme extreme minority, but it isn't zero.

Again, I will reiterate that I certainly don't think there are any ulterior motives here. I understand that coming forward was a very difficult personal decision. I also agree that Kavanaugh is a liar, a scumbag, and ultimately unfit to be a Supreme Court Justice.

My concern is that one side of the political fence in particular seems to embrace underhanded tactics like voter suppression and racial gerrymandering. Who is to say that false accusations couldn't become a political tool against a legitimately innocent candidate at some point in the future?

Maybe I just need to take off my tin foil hat and trust that nobody would ever stoop to that level, but the past few years indicate that, to some people, no act is unthinkable to remain in power.

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Re: Politics, but not weather or journalism or weather journalism

Postby CyHawk_Cub » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:02 pm

Do you think that not pursuing these types of claims will somehow convince GOP'ers to not engage in nefarious acts as you describe?
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Re: Politics, but not weather or journalism or weather journalism

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:19 pm

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An interview with her and John Oliver was the centerpeice to a recent Last Week Tonight episode, as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHiAls8loz4
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