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Postby Derwood » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:23 am

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I am gratified to learn that several free agent Dems I know IRL notice this as well.


I thought he answered that pretty well. He was asked about socialism failing in the USSR, and he made it clear that he was against authoritarian rule and against government owning all capital and industry.

He punted on a lot of questions (they all did), but that was an odd one for Klein to use as an example
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Postby Bote McBoteface » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:26 pm

Did Bernie really say that he wants to let people currently in prison for violent felonies have voting rights, or was I half asleep and hearing things? Cuz I....don’t think I can support that one. Or somebody pushing that.

Note: id support a vacant office over Donald Trump, so I really just mean I couldnt support that in the primary.
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Postby Derwood » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:31 pm

Bote McBoteface wrote:Did Bernie really say that he wants to let people currently in prison for violent felonies have voting rights, or was I half asleep and hearing things? Cuz I....don’t think I can support that one. Or somebody pushing that.


Yes, he said all citizens should be able to vote, including incarcerated felons.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:14 pm

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Bote McBoteface wrote:Did Bernie really say that he wants to let people currently in prison for violent felonies have voting rights, or was I half asleep and hearing things? Cuz I....don’t think I can support that one. Or somebody pushing that.


Yes, he said all citizens should be able to vote, including incarcerated felons.


So what.
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Postby Derwood » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:37 pm

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Bote McBoteface wrote:Did Bernie really say that he wants to let people currently in prison for violent felonies have voting rights, or was I half asleep and hearing things? Cuz I....don’t think I can support that one. Or somebody pushing that.


Yes, he said all citizens should be able to vote, including incarcerated felons.


So what.


The question was framed as "should the Boston Marathon bomber or convicted child rapists be allowed to vote?" and he said yes, which is an instant anti-bernie campaign ad hand delivered to Trump.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:42 pm

A co-worker said how dumb it is for Bernie to think that. I asked him why, and he said "well, duh".

a) I didn't realize it was such a hot button item
2) Who cares if 12% (or whatever dumb low voter turnout numbers this country has) of inmates make it to the polls?
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:47 pm

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Yes, he said all citizens should be able to vote, including incarcerated felons.


So what.


The question was framed as "should the Boston Marathon bomber or convicted child rapists be allowed to vote?" and he said yes, which is an instant anti-bernie campaign ad hand delivered to Trump.


Oh my god, and here they were without ANYTHING to go after terrifying old man socialist with.

The guy's got a stance and, what, he's supposed to change on a dime or horsefeathering lie because of a horsefeathers question? He said he supports everyone being able to vote; why would that change as people started listing out caveats? Then he's just the [expletive] who completely flip-flopped on live TV.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:48 pm

I can't believe in 2019 anyone is legitimately worried along the lines of, "oh my stars; don't give the Republicans things they can scream about!!!" THEY LITERALLY DO THAT ABOUT EVERYTHING NO MATTER HOW CAREFUL YOU ARE.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:15 pm

I once held the "convicts shouldn't vote" opinion out of what I assume was some convoluted fear that they would get politicians to pander to them so they could get out of jail. That just doesn't make sense. One human one vote. You either believe it or you don't.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:19 pm

Personally I just think it's ridiculous to be something you can lose forever; I'm not really beating down the door for people to be able to vote while in prison. But as a general concept/cause? I have no real reason to oppose it.

Plus it cracks me up to see gun humper types losing their damn minds demanding that people be stripped of their Constitutional rights.
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Postby Derwood » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:35 pm

FWIW, I attached no judgment to his stance. Just saying what it is.

His reasoning was pretty well-founded; once you start creating groups of people who can't vote, you open the door for more and more voter suppression. He's not wrong, but the GOP dum-dums will eat up the "BERNIE LOVES TERRORISTS" ad that's bound to come
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Postby Derwood » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:39 pm

Sanders also said that Netanyahu ran a racist regime, so there's that sound bite as well
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:41 pm

Derwood wrote:FWIW, I attached no judgment to his stance. Just saying what it is.

His reasoning was pretty well-founded; once you start creating groups of people who can't vote, you open the door for more and more voter suppression. He's not wrong, but the GOP dum-dums will eat up the "BERNIE LOVES TERRORISTS" ad that's bound to come


Again, that horsefeathers is coming no matter what he actually does or says. horsefeathers 'em.
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Re: Politics & Current Events

Postby Derwood » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:47 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Derwood wrote:FWIW, I attached no judgment to his stance. Just saying what it is.

His reasoning was pretty well-founded; once you start creating groups of people who can't vote, you open the door for more and more voter suppression. He's not wrong, but the GOP dum-dums will eat up the "BERNIE LOVES TERRORISTS" ad that's bound to come


Again, that horsefeathers is coming no matter what he actually does or says. horsefeathers 'em.


The GOP will bring stupid stuff up, yes, we get it. But Bernie is gift-wrapping them talking points right now that will energize their base. He's not doing himself any favors.

On the other hand, he has opinions, which is more than most of the other candidates could say last night. Kamala Harris really turned me off; she spoke very strongly about nothing
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:12 pm

The Dem field isn't exactly exciting me these days.

I like many of Bernie's talking points, but just can't warm to him, and I can't get over my feeling that all he wants is the discussion, not actually governing.

Warren is awesome. Her progressive policy chops cannot be questioned, and I have zero doubt she wants to get in the muck and actually execute policy.

Buttigieg appears to be cleaning up on the fundraising front as he has no reservations about taking large $ donations. Hey, whateves, fill the war chest, I'm seriously not judging. He looks headed for the squishy middle, maybe a young alternative to Biden? Or am I way off on that?

Agree with above. Harris has done nothing to make me want to support her.

I want no part of Biden as the nominee, but obviously would vote for him in the general.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:16 pm

Derwood wrote:
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Derwood wrote:FWIW, I attached no judgment to his stance. Just saying what it is.

His reasoning was pretty well-founded; once you start creating groups of people who can't vote, you open the door for more and more voter suppression. He's not wrong, but the GOP dum-dums will eat up the "BERNIE LOVES TERRORISTS" ad that's bound to come


Again, that horsefeathers is coming no matter what he actually does or says. horsefeathers 'em.


The GOP will bring stupid stuff up, yes, we get it. But Bernie is gift-wrapping them talking points right now that will energize their base. He's not doing himself any favors.


Yet again, that's true for literally everything he says. There's no safe path for him in terms of avoiding that horsefeathers. Much better for him to just be himself instead of pandering to chicken horsefeathers zilches.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:18 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:Buttigieg appears to be cleaning up on the fundraising front as he has no reservations about taking large $ donations. Hey, whateves, fill the war chest, I'm seriously not judging. He looks headed for the squishy middle, maybe a young alternative to Biden? Or am I way off on that?


Nope. It sucks to say, but subtract his sexuality and this dude is as middle of the horsefeathering road as a George Stephanopoulos wet dream.
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Postby Derwood » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:19 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
CyHawk_Cub wrote:Buttigieg appears to be cleaning up on the fundraising front as he has no reservations about taking large $ donations. Hey, whateves, fill the war chest, I'm seriously not judging. He looks headed for the squishy middle, maybe a young alternative to Biden? Or am I way off on that?


Nope. It sucks to say, but subtract his sexuality and this dude is as middle of the horsefeathering road as a George Stephanopoulos wet dream.


We don't really know that, since he has expressed very few opinions about, well, anything. He's running almost 100% on his life story, and almost 0% on actual policy positions
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Postby squally1313 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:20 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:The Dem field isn't exactly exciting me these days.

I like many of Bernie's talking points, but just can't warm to him, and I can't get over my feeling that all he wants is the discussion, not actually governing.

Warren is awesome. Her progressive policy chops cannot be questioned, and I have zero doubt she wants to get in the muck and actually execute policy.

Buttigieg appears to be cleaning up on the fundraising front as he has no reservations about taking large $ donations. Hey, whateves, fill the war chest, I'm seriously not judging. He looks headed for the squishy middle, maybe a young alternative to Biden? Or am I way off on that?

Agree with above. Harris has done nothing to make me want to support her.

I want no part of Biden as the nominee, but obviously would vote for him in the general.


So...why not Warren?
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:21 pm

Derwood wrote:
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CyHawk_Cub wrote:Buttigieg appears to be cleaning up on the fundraising front as he has no reservations about taking large $ donations. Hey, whateves, fill the war chest, I'm seriously not judging. He looks headed for the squishy middle, maybe a young alternative to Biden? Or am I way off on that?


Nope. It sucks to say, but subtract his sexuality and this dude is as middle of the horsefeathering road as a George Stephanopoulos wet dream.


We don't really know that, since he has expressed very few opinions about, well, anything. He's running almost 100% on his life story, and almost 0% on actual policy positions


I mean, that's basically exactly why I feel like we essentially definitely know what he's doing.
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:23 pm

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CyHawk_Cub wrote:The Dem field isn't exactly exciting me these days.

I like many of Bernie's talking points, but just can't warm to him, and I can't get over my feeling that all he wants is the discussion, not actually governing.

Warren is awesome. Her progressive policy chops cannot be questioned, and I have zero doubt she wants to get in the muck and actually execute policy.

Buttigieg appears to be cleaning up on the fundraising front as he has no reservations about taking large $ donations. Hey, whateves, fill the war chest, I'm seriously not judging. He looks headed for the squishy middle, maybe a young alternative to Biden? Or am I way off on that?

Agree with above. Harris has done nothing to make me want to support her.

I want no part of Biden as the nominee, but obviously would vote for him in the general.


So...why not Warren?


Electability.

I have zero faith in the electorate to look at substance over style.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:24 pm

I keep sliding towards a Warren/Castro ticket as being the sleeper combo pick to clean up.
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Postby NOLA » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:32 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:The Dem field isn't exactly exciting me these days.

I like many of Bernie's talking points, but just can't warm to him, and I can't get over my feeling that all he wants is the discussion, not actually governing.

Warren is awesome. Her progressive policy chops cannot be questioned, and I have zero doubt she wants to get in the muck and actually execute policy.

Buttigieg appears to be cleaning up on the fundraising front as he has no reservations about taking large $ donations. Hey, whateves, fill the war chest, I'm seriously not judging. He looks headed for the squishy middle, maybe a young alternative to Biden? Or am I way off on that?

Agree with above. Harris has done nothing to make me want to support her.

I want no part of Biden as the nominee, but obviously would vote for him in the general.

Agree 100% on Bernie and Kamala. Love Mayor Pete, and I do have a feeling that he might govern better that he is at running for POTUS. It's like he's trying really hard to not get out on any ledge this early, which is pretty much what Barack did in 2008.

If we could wave a wand and elect any of the field, I'd choose Warren, but I just think she is the weakest poltician of the front runners. Even her interview on Crooked Media, which is about the friendliest of places to be asked questions, had plenty of cringe worthy moments. The DNA thing, the beer on YouTube, her bad jokes...I'm terrified that she would get trounced vs Trump.

One thing to remember is that if a Dem wins the White House, it means that there's an excellent chance they will have both houses of Congress. I'd take two years of Corey effing Booker with a Congress pushed Left by AOC and company and be pretty pleased.
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