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Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:11 pm
by Sammy Sofa
CyHawk_Cub wrote:Same as it ever was. Norms, the judgment of history, etc., etc. does not matter to these people. They need to be electorally annihilated. But it just ain't gonna happen, at least not quickly enough for my liking. Not as long as Fox News/Rush Limbaugh/Facebook exist, at least. Just gotta keep trying to chip away. No clue what else is to be done.


Yeah, that's what horsefeathering bums me out the most. After all of this is said and done, they're going to be in inexplicably great shape to be running everything again in just 4 years.

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:15 pm
by Irrelevant Dude
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Irrelevant Dude wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Another serious question for the room: do any of really think most Republicans looked at Obama as a legitimate president? How negligible of a difference are we really talking about between how they regarded/treated/talked about the last Democratic president and the next one?


It's a good question, but I do think there is a notable difference in that very few people doubted that Obama legitimately won the election. There will be an added sense of empowerment for Trump voters who truly believe they were disenfranchised and are the victims of widespread election fraud, which just adds that much more fuel to the fire.


Sure, but they were convinced in the first place that he was an illegitimate citizen/candidate, so that just meant a fraud got more votes. It's kind of a tomato/tomato comparison at the end of the day.


I don't know. I think 4 years of Trumpism has amped up the crazies to a level much worse than anything we saw during Obama's presidency, and they are continually being fed misinformation at a much larger scale than ever before. Republican politicians could shrug off the birther nonsense without fear of retribution, but now their careers seemingly rest on embracing (explicitly or implicitly) the extreme wing of their party.

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:15 pm
by jersey cubs fan
crenshaw doesn't get enough attention for how much of a piece of horsefeathers he is

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:20 pm
by CyHawk_Cub
jersey cubs fan wrote:crenshaw doesn't get enough attention for how much of a piece of horsefeathers he is

I hate Pete Davidson for putting Crenshaw in the spotlight for many people. It's such a huge lineup of the worst of the worst. And this newest crop of GOP'ers? FFS...somehow, some way, they are even worse. There is no bottom apparently.

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:21 pm
by Sammy Sofa
Irrelevant Dude wrote:I don't know. I think 4 years of Trumpism has amped up the crazies to a level much worse than anything we saw during Obama's presidency, and they are continually being fed misinformation at a much larger scale than ever before. Republican politicians could shrug off the birther nonsense without fear of retribution, but now their careers seemingly rest on embracing (explicitly or implicitly) the extreme wing of their party.


It's escalated, obviously, but I think it's overstated how much. Obama horsefeathering broke a LOT of brains, man. Yeah, the GOP COULD have shurgged off the birther charges if they had wanted to easier than they can shrug off Trumpers...but for the most part they didn't. McCain denouncing that thinking was the exception, and not the rule. They pretty readily let it have a perpetual life of its own, and opened the door to the Tea Party the instant it was apparent to them that Tea Party types were going to help them stay in power. They opened to door to overt crazy well over a decade ago and haven't looked back.

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:23 pm
by Banedon

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:26 pm
by Sammy Sofa
CyHawk_Cub wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:crenshaw doesn't get enough attention for how much of a piece of horsefeathers he is

I hate Pete Davidson for putting Crenshaw in the spotlight for many people. It's such a huge lineup of the worst of the worst. And this newest crop of GOP'ers? FFS...somehow, some way, they are even worse. There is no bottom apparently.


That uncanny valley-looking muther [expletive] in the wheelchair, Madison Cawthorn, is like someone cosplaying as a faded copy version of Crenshaw.

The GOP cries and sobs about everyone else playing victims and being "too easily offended," but they've got a really creepy 3 tract endgame approach of rolling out more and more women, PoC and disabled candidates seemingly with the express idea of having them just act like the most obnoxious horsefeathering trolls possible, while always immediately falling back on, "oh, how DARE you attack MEEEEEEEEE?!? So much for the Tolerant Left, LOLZ!!!!1"

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 pm
by Banedon
Thread:


Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:51 pm
by Sammy Sofa
Banedon wrote:Thread:



I mean, I GET why people are scared at first when they hear this sort of thing....but I really can't help how much it makes me laugh. It's so horsefeathering dumb and pathetic.

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:10 pm
by gflore34
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Banedon wrote:Thread:



I mean, I GET why people are scared at first when they hear this sort of thing....but I really can't help how much it makes me laugh. It's so horsefeathering dumb and pathetic.


It is dumb and pathetic however, he's clearly moved into justifiable 25th Amendment territory. Notwithstanding the other thousands of reasons the 25th Amendment should have been employed. Trying to pressure states he did not win to disenfranchise all of its eligible voters?

Re: RE: Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:12 pm
by javy knows my name
gflore34 wrote:
Irrelevant Dude wrote:
CubinNY wrote:https://twitter.com/Deggans/status/1329499413274906631
I feel like even that is an optimistic view. The crazy tactics, as unsuccessful as they have been on the surface, are having an impact now. It has dragged on long enough that a significant portion of the population will never accept Joe Biden as a legitimate president, and it is clear that the Republicans in power will continue to cater to those people. They can't lose those voters, because what else do they have left?

There will be no "let's put that behind us" moment where both sides come together and try to move forward. And if Trump's team finds an opening where they can actually get away with stealing the election, you can bet all of his fellow Republicans will be on board with doing just that.


I think those questioning legitimacy of the Biden administration will be quieted by the amount of success it has getting us back on our feet. If Biden does begin to turn it around, people will start to forget about Trump' nonsense. Not all people, he'll find some medium to whine about himself but, a good portion of the questions, accusations and general [expletive] will fade away.


This...is staggeringly naive

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:13 pm
by Sammy Sofa
Oh, the 25 was justified a long, long, long time ago. Now it's at the point where you just have to enjoy the end of the ride or go insane.

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:37 pm
by Banedon
Sammy Sofa wrote:Oh, the 25 was justified a long, long, long time ago. Now it's at the point where you just have to enjoy the end of the ride or go insane.


I've chosen the latter. I find very little of this enjoyable.

Re: RE: Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:40 pm
by gflore34
javy knows my name wrote:
gflore34 wrote:
Irrelevant Dude wrote:I feel like even that is an optimistic view. The crazy tactics, as unsuccessful as they have been on the surface, are having an impact now. It has dragged on long enough that a significant portion of the population will never accept Joe Biden as a legitimate president, and it is clear that the Republicans in power will continue to cater to those people. They can't lose those voters, because what else do they have left?

There will be no "let's put that behind us" moment where both sides come together and try to move forward. And if Trump's team finds an opening where they can actually get away with stealing the election, you can bet all of his fellow Republicans will be on board with doing just that.


I think those questioning legitimacy of the Biden administration will be quieted by the amount of success it has getting us back on our feet. If Biden does begin to turn it around, people will start to forget about Trump' nonsense. Not all people, he'll find some medium to whine about himself but, a good portion of the questions, accusations and general [expletive] will fade away.


This...is staggeringly naive



Hey, I'm grasping at straws here, I know, so, WTF do you suggest? And why the horsefeathers wouldn't getting people back work, etc. not have some net positive effect?

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:41 pm
by CyHawk_Cub
I continue to be hung up on this.

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:43 pm
by Sammy Sofa
Banedon wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Oh, the 25 was justified a long, long, long time ago. Now it's at the point where you just have to enjoy the end of the ride or go insane.


I've chosen the latter. I find very little of this enjoyable.


I don't know what to tell you, man. Focus on savoring that big dumb blubbery pout face he must inevitably be making each time his next Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy idea goes down in flames. Like, each time he gets SOOOOOO excited thinking that that'll be the one!

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:00 pm
by minnesotacubsfan
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Banedon wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Oh, the 25 was justified a long, long, long time ago. Now it's at the point where you just have to enjoy the end of the ride or go insane.


I've chosen the latter. I find very little of this enjoyable.


I don't know what to tell you, man. Focus on savoring that big dumb blubbery pout face he must inevitably be making each time his next Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy idea goes down in flames. Like, each time he gets SOOOOOO excited thinking that that'll be the one!


I really want to see the secret service/marines escorting him out of the white house with his hands cuffed behind his back so tight his shoulders become dislocated and he has a clearly visible look of pain on his face

he's so [expletive] fat they would have to get one guy on each arm, and press them together to get the cuffs on

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:08 pm
by Banedon
This Trump judge dismissing a lawsuit for lack of standing in GA is giving me a little bit of joy, I admit. The thread is long, but this bit is pretty significant to me.


Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:25 pm
by Hairyducked Idiot
I understand the whole "playing along with the perception that he has power is only giving him more power" idea and I'm mostly not doom-bonering.

But to the question of "what should people be doing," I'd like a little more planning on what *would* be done if he somehow succeeded. General strike? Mass protests? Armed rebellion? A strongly worded letter?

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:34 pm
by CyHawk_Cub
More of the same and expected

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:35 pm
by WrigleyField 22
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:I understand the whole "playing along with the perception that he has power is only giving him more power" idea and I'm mostly not doom-bonering.

But to the question of "what should people be doing," I'd like a little more planning on what *would* be done if he somehow succeeded. General strike? Mass protests? Armed rebellion? A strongly worded letter?

General strike is the only thing that I think could work, I think. Not sure if people have the stomach for it though.

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:39 pm
by minnesotacubsfan
WrigleyField 22 wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:I understand the whole "playing along with the perception that he has power is only giving him more power" idea and I'm mostly not doom-bonering.

But to the question of "what should people be doing," I'd like a little more planning on what *would* be done if he somehow succeeded. General strike? Mass protests? Armed rebellion? A strongly worded letter?

General strike is the only thing that I think could work, I think. Not sure if people have the stomach for it though.

How many people have the savings or ability to collect back wages in such an event?

I don't see it happening

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:02 am
by CyHawk_Cub
Just get rid of Trump tho' and the Grand Ol' Party will be ready to rock 'n roll; ready to govern!

Re: The Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:02 am
by Banedon

The Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:27 am
by Soul
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:I understand the whole "playing along with the perception that he has power is only giving him more power" idea and I'm mostly not doom-bonering.

But to the question of "what should people be doing," I'd like a little more planning on what *would* be done if he somehow succeeded. General strike? Mass protests? Armed rebellion? A strongly worded letter?

General strike is the only thing that I think could work, I think. Not sure if people have the stomach for it though.

How many people have the savings or ability to collect back wages in such an event?

I don't see it happening

Well, I never thought I’d see a presser with a man sweating so profusely that his freshly applied el cheapo hair dye is running down his cheeks.