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Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:59 pm
by squally1313
Stannis wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Which is why i said is/was. We'll see how this goes.


So you think there's a realistic chance this is some kind of Right hit piece, but Franken's responses so far play to that...how, exactly? "Yes, I'll LULL the Right into exposing their antics by making a long statement and apology. GOT 'EM."


I don't think his statement made any comment on the specifics of the secondary incident, and calling an accuser a liar would be a bad look for a senator. He could be just commenting on the picture.


Do you understand how your position is essentially the same as the one all the Moore supporters have been making for the last week or whatever now?

(And yes, to avoid any confusion, I understand the alleged/committed crimes are different and not equal)

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:59 pm
by Sammy Sofa
Stannis wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Which is why i said is/was. We'll see how this goes.


So you think there's a realistic chance this is some kind of Right hit piece, but Franken's responses so far play to that...how, exactly? "Yes, I'll LULL the Right into exposing their antics by making a long statement and apology. GOT 'EM."


I don't think his statement made any comment on the specifics of the secondary incident, and calling an accuser a liar would be a bad look for a senator. He could be just commenting on the picture.

He didn't say anything about the kissing, except that he doesn't recall doing it. Again, calling her a liar is unwise, here.


[expletive], dude.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:59 pm
by Stannis
squally1313 wrote:
Stannis wrote:Squally got all pissed when i helped him with the differentiation between rape and harrassment. Sorry.


This whole thing started when you were like 'well yeah, he sexually assaulted someone. but he's pretty good at his job, soooo'. But yes, the key here is that I used the term 'sexual assault' to cover both events. Which is clearly the big issue here. We'll ignore your initial post, or more recently when you were like 'well what if she was lying about the thing he admitted happened, or what if the Republicans are making this up'.


Again, when did i say he sexually assaulted someone?

Kind of a strawman tactic or something like that.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:00 pm
by squally1313
Stannis wrote:
squally1313 wrote:
Stannis wrote:Squally got all pissed when i helped him with the differentiation between rape and harrassment. Sorry.


This whole thing started when you were like 'well yeah, he sexually assaulted someone. but he's pretty good at his job, soooo'. But yes, the key here is that I used the term 'sexual assault' to cover both events. Which is clearly the big issue here. We'll ignore your initial post, or more recently when you were like 'well what if she was lying about the thing he admitted happened, or what if the Republicans are making this up'.


Again, when did i say he sexually assaulted someone?


What was the implication here?

Stannis wrote:I can still like Franken and just hope this was just a momentary lapse of reason, right?

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:00 pm
by Sammy Sofa
Stannis wrote:
squally1313 wrote:
Stannis wrote:Squally got all pissed when i helped him with the differentiation between rape and harrassment. Sorry.


This whole thing started when you were like 'well yeah, he sexually assaulted someone. but he's pretty good at his job, soooo'. But yes, the key here is that I used the term 'sexual assault' to cover both events. Which is clearly the big issue here. We'll ignore your initial post, or more recently when you were like 'well what if she was lying about the thing he admitted happened, or what if the Republicans are making this up'.


Again, when did i say he sexually assaulted someone?

Kind of a strawman tactic or something like that.


This is legitimately some crazy stuff swirling around in your head.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:03 pm
by Stannis
squally1313 wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
So you think there's a realistic chance this is some kind of Right hit piece, but Franken's responses so far play to that...how, exactly? "Yes, I'll LULL the Right into exposing their antics by making a long statement and apology. GOT 'EM."


I don't think his statement made any comment on the specifics of the secondary incident, and calling an accuser a liar would be a bad look for a senator. He could be just commenting on the picture.


Do you understand how your position is essentially the same as the one all the Moore supporters have been making for the last week or whatever now?

(And yes, to avoid any confusion, I understand the alleged/committed crimes are different and not equal)


I said what he did isn't ok, and he'll pay for it. But the difference in severity of the two incidents muddies the water, here, a great deal. My defense of what Franken did as compared to what Moore did, is absolutely different. Defense of not rape is different than defense of rape.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:04 pm
by Stannis
squally1313 wrote:
Stannis wrote:
squally1313 wrote:
This whole thing started when you were like 'well yeah, he sexually assaulted someone. but he's pretty good at his job, soooo'. But yes, the key here is that I used the term 'sexual assault' to cover both events. Which is clearly the big issue here. We'll ignore your initial post, or more recently when you were like 'well what if she was lying about the thing he admitted happened, or what if the Republicans are making this up'.


Again, when did i say he sexually assaulted someone?


What was the implication here?

Stannis wrote:I can still like Franken and just hope this was just a momentary lapse of reason, right?


Sexual assault, obviously. Lol

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:05 pm
by Stannis
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Stannis wrote:
squally1313 wrote:
This whole thing started when you were like 'well yeah, he sexually assaulted someone. but he's pretty good at his job, soooo'. But yes, the key here is that I used the term 'sexual assault' to cover both events. Which is clearly the big issue here. We'll ignore your initial post, or more recently when you were like 'well what if she was lying about the thing he admitted happened, or what if the Republicans are making this up'.


Again, when did i say he sexually assaulted someone?

Kind of a strawman tactic or something like that.


This is legitimately some crazy stuff swirling around in your head.


Legitimately.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:06 pm
by squally1313
Stannis wrote:
squally1313 wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Again, when did i say he sexually assaulted someone?


What was the implication here?

Stannis wrote:I can still like Franken and just hope this was just a momentary lapse of reason, right?


Sexual assault, obviously. Lol


So basically you either:

1. Don't believe the accusations, which he has basically admitted to

or

2. You don't think the actions described are sexual assault

Which one?

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:18 pm
by Stannis
I really don't agree with the assault. I'd call it harrassment.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:25 pm
by jersey cubs fan
Stannis wrote:I really don't agree with the assault. I'd call it harrassment.

what?

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:27 pm
by Stannis
I mean, sexual assault is used a lot to indicate forcible rape. Using it to describe what Franken is accused of doing, is like, inflammatory.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:27 pm
by squally1313
Stannis wrote:I really don't agree with the assault. I'd call it harrassment.


https://www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault

Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.


Here I thought you were mad that I was downplaying Moore's actions. But it turns out you were actually just 'eh, what's a little groping amongst adults?'

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:29 pm
by Stannis
squally1313 wrote:
Stannis wrote:I really don't agree with the assault. I'd call it harrassment.


https://www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault

Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.

Here I thought you were mad that I was downplaying Moore's actions. But it turns out you were actually just 'eh, what's a little groping amongst adults?'


Yeah, that's horsefeathers up, man. horsefeathers you.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:32 pm
by squally1313
Stannis wrote:Squally got all pissed when i helped him with the differentiation between rape and harrassment. Sorry.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:33 pm
by Stannis
I mean, to anyone who's been a victim of rape, that definition of sexual assault would seem liberal, though it fits the technical definition. But insinuating that i'm good with groping is horsefeathers up you piece of horsefeathers. Kill yourself.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:34 pm
by Stannis
squally1313 wrote:
Stannis wrote:Squally got all pissed when i helped him with the differentiation between rape and harrassment. Sorry.


No, that crossed the line.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:34 pm
by Stannis
I mean, i don't know you.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:36 pm
by jersey cubs fan
Stannis wrote:I mean, to anyone who's been a victim of rape, that definition of sexual assault would seem liberal, though it fits the technical definition. But insinuating that i'm good with groping is horsefeathers up you piece of horsefeathers. Kill yourself.

sexual assault is a wide ranging concept that absolutely includes what Franken did.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:36 pm
by squally1313
Yeah, I'm going to back away from this one.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:37 pm
by Stannis
jersey cubs fan wrote:
Stannis wrote:I mean, to anyone who's been a victim of rape, that definition of sexual assault would seem liberal, though it fits the technical definition. But insinuating that i'm good with groping is horsefeathers up you piece of horsefeathers. Kill yourself.

sexual assault is a wide ranging concept that absolutely includes what Franken did.


It disagree, but technically, you're right.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:38 pm
by jersey cubs fan
Stannis wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
Stannis wrote:I mean, to anyone who's been a victim of rape, that definition of sexual assault would seem liberal, though it fits the technical definition. But insinuating that i'm good with groping is horsefeathers up you piece of horsefeathers. Kill yourself.

sexual assault is a wide ranging concept that absolutely includes what Franken did.


It disagree, but technically, you're right.

you disagree with a fact.

cool. good work.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:38 pm
by Stannis
squally1313 wrote:Yeah, I'm going to back away from this one.


Yeah, get horsefeathers, horsefeathers. Don't die or anything

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:40 pm
by Stannis
jersey cubs fan wrote:
Stannis wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:sexual assault is a wide ranging concept that absolutely includes what Franken did.


It disagree, but technically, you're right.

you disagree with a fact.

cool. good work.


It's disingenuous to depict it as sexual assault. And did he even touch her? fondling involves touching, right?. And, to me, intent. Looked like he was posing, not touching and fondling.

Re: Corporate grab ass shenanigans, and so much worse

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:41 pm
by Stannis
does the appearance of touching indicate sexual assault?