MCU Thread

[Banedon]

It's long past time for this. Star Wars, Star Trek, The Expanse, The Simpsons and probably others I'm not thinking of have their own threads. Let's stop cluttering up the Movie and TV threads with Marvel stuff for those who stubbornly resist.

For the second week in a row, WandaVision has a post-credits scene. Don't miss that.

Elizabeth Olsen better win a freaking Emmy.

[OleMissCub]

Death to the mega threads

[minnesotacubsfan]

#cancelculture !!!!

[bukie]

Wanda's obsession with sitcoms suddenly became very sad.

[Rob]

Kathryn Hahn has been incredible, but that last scene of hers from episode 8 was just so forced.

I'm really interested to see how they wrap this up in just one more episode. It feels like there's going to have to be some major lose ends tied up in Doctor Strange 2.

[Sammy Sofa]

Kathryn Hahn has been incredible, but that last scene of hers from episode 8 was just so forced.

I still enjoyed the episode, but yeah, this was the one that felt to me like the most...."regular?" Like, Agatha's origin story at the beginning was so needless and boring and seemingly what people who don't like comic books assume they're all like: just random people blasting each other with lasers. And Agatha is just bad, I guess? I thought the song at the end of last week was just playing along with the whole TV theme/gag, but yeah, unless they swing pretty wildly another way with her in the one episode they have left, her just being a witch-seeking baddie is kind of a letdown.

[seanimal]

It's long past time for this. Star Wars, Star Trek, The Expanse, The Simpsons and probably others I'm not thinking of have their own threads. Let's stop cluttering up the Movie and TV threads with Marvel stuff for those who stubbornly resist.

solid moderation right here

[jersey cubs fan]

Shocked this thread never existed with all you nerds before this. I had a tough time catching up.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Last episode of WandaVision

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was extremely well-acted but what a snoozefest. Hey, did you guys know Wanda went through a lot of trauma and that caused her to create the Hex when Vision died?

Of course you did. Literally everyone did within the first episode or two. I know, this is just me hating character moments that sacrifice plot velocity, as usual.

"That's Chaos Magic... you're The Scarlet Witch" was a low point for the series. Wanda turning out to be some sort of Chosen One for witches that was never alluded to in any way before is just a trope for the sake of troping.

[Banedon]

Kathryn Hahn has been incredible, but that last scene of hers from episode 8 was just so forced.

I still enjoyed the episode, but yeah, this was the one that felt to me like the most...."regular?" Like, Agatha's origin story at the beginning was so needless and boring and seemingly what people who don't like comic books assume they're all like: just random people blasting each other with lasers. And Agatha is just bad, I guess? I thought the song at the end of last week was just playing along with the whole TV theme/gag, but yeah, unless they swing pretty wildly another way with her in the one episode they have left, her just being a witch-seeking baddie is kind of a letdown.

Oh I very much disagree.

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I don't think this is an "Agatha is bad" thing....I think this is all more of a tough love situation. Agatha was basically a therapist through this whole episode. She was helping Wanda understand what happened and how Wanda *did* do all of this. "I killed Sparky too" from the last episode and holding the children hostage....none of those things are real. So she's not really hurting anything. We'll see by the end, but I think this is either more of a "mentoring Wanda" situation or at a minimum, evaluating how much of a threat she is.

[cl smooth]

Last episode was awesome. First 5 minutes was giving off a very Sam Raimi vibe.

[Sammy Sofa]

Last episode was awesome. First 5 minutes was giving off a very Sam Raimi vibe.

See, that's exactly what I was hoping for, but it ended up being all zappy instead.

[Sammy Sofa]

Last episode of WandaVision

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was extremely well-acted but what a snoozefest. Hey, did you guys know Wanda went through a lot of trauma and that caused her to create the Hex when Vision died?

Of course you did. Literally everyone did within the first episode or two. I know, this is just me hating character moments that sacrifice plot velocity, as usual.

"That's Chaos Magic... you're The Scarlet Witch" was a low point for the series. Wanda turning out to be some sort of Chosen One for witches that was never alluded to in any way before is just a trope for the sake of troping.

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Yeah, it felt like a stretch episode to fill the order. The big things we find out are that she created a new Vision from scratch and didn't actually take his body, and that Super [expletive] SWORD Director was trying to push her into reactivating Vision from the start. Those specific things took up all of 5 minutes. The rest was, like you said, really well done, but basically an episode-long version of Obi-Wan sitting on a [expletive] log on Dagobah and stopping everything dead with his talky-talk. And it results in us getting a penultimate episode with no Jimmy, no Darcy, no Pietro and, worst of all, no Monica. Meeeeeeeeeh.

[Sammy Sofa]

Kathryn Hahn has been incredible, but that last scene of hers from episode 8 was just so forced.

I still enjoyed the episode, but yeah, this was the one that felt to me like the most...."regular?" Like, Agatha's origin story at the beginning was so needless and boring and seemingly what people who don't like comic books assume they're all like: just random people blasting each other with lasers. And Agatha is just bad, I guess? I thought the song at the end of last week was just playing along with the whole TV theme/gag, but yeah, unless they swing pretty wildly another way with her in the one episode they have left, her just being a witch-seeking baddie is kind of a letdown.

Oh I very much disagree.

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I don't think this is an "Agatha is bad" thing....I think this is all more of a tough love situation. Agatha was basically a therapist through this whole episode. She was helping Wanda understand what happened and how Wanda *did* do all of this. "I killed Sparky too" from the last episode and holding the children hostage....none of those things are real. So she's not really hurting anything. We'll see by the end, but I think this is either more of a "mentoring Wanda" situation or at a minimum, evaluating how much of a threat she is.

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Huge, huge disagree. Dismissing the threat to her kids because they're "not real" doesn't fly at all. They are real in that they are, at the very least, real to Wanda, and because the series has told us that Wanda IS actually creating and changing things. None of it is just an illusion.

Yeah, Agatha is her mentor in the comics, but if that's what they're going for here, they're going to have to do a HUGE whiplash swerve in the last remaining episode to redeem Agatha. And given that Wanda is a main character in the next Dr. Strange movie, my guess is he shows up and he takes on the good mentor role and Agatha stays a villain.

[Banedon]

I still enjoyed the episode, but yeah, this was the one that felt to me like the most...."regular?" Like, Agatha's origin story at the beginning was so needless and boring and seemingly what people who don't like comic books assume they're all like: just random people blasting each other with lasers. And Agatha is just bad, I guess? I thought the song at the end of last week was just playing along with the whole TV theme/gag, but yeah, unless they swing pretty wildly another way with her in the one episode they have left, her just being a witch-seeking baddie is kind of a letdown.

Oh I very much disagree.

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I don't think this is an "Agatha is bad" thing....I think this is all more of a tough love situation. Agatha was basically a therapist through this whole episode. She was helping Wanda understand what happened and how Wanda *did* do all of this. "I killed Sparky too" from the last episode and holding the children hostage....none of those things are real. So she's not really hurting anything. We'll see by the end, but I think this is either more of a "mentoring Wanda" situation or at a minimum, evaluating how much of a threat she is.

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Huge, huge disagree. Dismissing the threat to her kids because they're "not real" doesn't fly at all. They are real in that they are, at the very least, real to Wanda, and because the series has told us that Wanda IS actually creating and changing things. None of it is just an illusion.

Yeah, Agatha is her mentor in the comics, but if that's what they're going for here, they're going to have to do a HUGE whiplash swerve in the last remaining episode to redeem Agatha. And given that Wanda is a main character in the next Dr. Strange movie, my guess is he shows up and he takes on the good mentor role and Agatha stays a villain.

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But Vision proved he can't exist outside of the Hex because he was born of Wanda's power. Presumably, that would go for the magical kids she spawned as well. We'll have to see, but given the comic incarnation of Agatha, and how this whole episode felt like some kind of therapy session for Wanda, i really do think they're setting this up that maybe there is no real villain of the story here.

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh I very much disagree.

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I don't think this is an "Agatha is bad" thing....I think this is all more of a tough love situation. Agatha was basically a therapist through this whole episode. She was helping Wanda understand what happened and how Wanda *did* do all of this. "I killed Sparky too" from the last episode and holding the children hostage....none of those things are real. So she's not really hurting anything. We'll see by the end, but I think this is either more of a "mentoring Wanda" situation or at a minimum, evaluating how much of a threat she is.

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Huge, huge disagree. Dismissing the threat to her kids because they're "not real" doesn't fly at all. They are real in that they are, at the very least, real to Wanda, and because the series has told us that Wanda IS actually creating and changing things. None of it is just an illusion.

Yeah, Agatha is her mentor in the comics, but if that's what they're going for here, they're going to have to do a HUGE whiplash swerve in the last remaining episode to redeem Agatha. And given that Wanda is a main character in the next Dr. Strange movie, my guess is he shows up and he takes on the good mentor role and Agatha stays a villain.

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But Vision proved he can't exist outside of the Hex because he was born of Wanda's power. Presumably, that would go for the magical kids she spawned as well. We'll have to see, but given the comic incarnation of Agatha, and how this whole episode felt like some kind of therapy session for Wanda, i really do think they're setting this up that maybe there is no real villain of the story here.

Just because they maybe can only exist in one place doesn't mean they're not real. Just saying; trying to chalk up her murdering a dog and threatening her kids as something that DOESN'T telegraph her as the villain is the stretchiest of stretches. Yeah, they very well could try and flip it around in this last episode and make her NOT the bad guy...I'm saying I hope they don't, because it'll probably be a mess. None of this read as Agatha trying to help at all, IMO.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Prediction/theory/guess:

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The distinction between the rest of the world and the hex disappears in the next episode

[Sammy Sofa]

Prediction/theory/guess:

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The distinction between the rest of the world and the hex disappears in the next episode

Agreed.

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This is building to her being able to essentially rewrite reality as she can and has done in the comics.

[TomtheBombadil]

Harkness is wearing black and purple, she's definitely a villain

Also

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she killed her mom and like 6 other witches

BTW what is so wrong with hiring an actor? Hahn was deaged for that stake scene, gd Disney man. Nepotism and CGI

[Banedon]

Also

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she killed her mom and like 6 other witches

Ehhhhhh

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Self defense, man. They were trying to kill her first.

[TomtheBombadil]

Also

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she killed her mom and like 6 other witches

Ehhhhhh

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Self defense, man. They were trying to kill her first.

True, and she was trying to tell then she couldn't control her own powers. Another thing maybe leaning non-villain is her curiosity over Wanda's power levels without knowing fundamentals

[Rob]

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Best case for Agatha is she’s being forced to do this stuff at the behest of Mephisto or Nightmare or whoever. Only glimpse we get of that is probably a credits scene. So she may be redeemable if that’s the case. But nothing about what she’s done to this point suggests pure motives of her own design.

Now if anybody wants more extreme speculation...

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Any buyers on the theory that white Vision may be Ultron? O.G. Vision was Ultron’s imprint plus the mind stone. This one has no mind stone, ergo... Also, there were some rumors that Spader might be coming back.

I don’t buy the theory myself - largely due to how awkward and distracting it would be for Spader to voiceover Bettany. Otherwise I could see it.

[Banedon]

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Best case for Agatha is she’s being forced to do this stuff at the behest of Mephisto or Nightmare or whoever. Only glimpse we get of that is probably a credits scene. So she may be redeemable if that’s the case. But nothing about what she’s done to this point suggests pure motives of her own design.

Now if anybody wants more extreme speculation...

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Any buyers on the theory that white Vision may be Ultron? O.G. Vision was Ultron’s imprint plus the mind stone. This one has no mind stone, ergo... Also, there were some rumors that Spader might be coming back.

I don’t buy the theory myself - largely due to how awkward and distracting it would be for Spader to voiceover Bettany. Otherwise I could see it.

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Nah, that doesn't really work. Ultron came about because of the Mind Stone as well. The Avengers had Loki's staff. Tony did his comparison of Jarvis vs the Mind Stone and says "this could be the key to creating Ultron." So Bruce and Tony dinked around and left Jarvis to keep trying to do "random science thing" until it worked and suddenly Ultron was born.

In Infinity War, Bruce says that Jarvis is made up of Ultron, Jarvis, Tony, Bruce and the Mind Stone. So even if the Mind Stone was removed, there's still more than just Ultron left...and it's debatable whether Ultron would still exist without the Mind Stone.

[Sammy Sofa]

Also

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she killed her mom and like 6 other witches

Ehhhhhh

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Self defense, man. They were trying to kill her first.

Yeah, because she's the horsefeathering villain.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Having her brag about killing a dog is universal show-writer code for "look I know we're all genre-savvy now and we see face turns and anti-heroes in everything but this is for-real a bad guy. We want to be very clear on that."